WAR is Trash Tier Now

[MagiusNecros]

Been thinking. WAR should build rage under effects of Vengeance and other skills. Other tanks have ways to passively build their gauges. WAR is only through Infuriate and damage.

Thoughts?

[silverlunarfox]

I feel like I'm the only one not completely upset with the WAR changes....only thing I really miss is bloodbath... T.T

But I mean really....you can work around everything else....granted I'm only 65 with it due to life obligations but its going to be my first 70...

Am I just missing something here due to not being at 70 yet?

[Venjenz]

I feel like I'm the only one not completely upset with the WAR changes....only thing I really miss is bloodbath... T.T

But I mean really....you can work around everything else....granted I'm only 65 with it due to life obligations but its going to be my first 70...

Am I just missing something here due to not being at 70 yet?

1) You're not the only one.

2) You're missing the theoretical part of being 70 and never bringing your WAR to a raid because nobody will ever bring a WAR to raid, not ever, not even if Hell froze over...so says the forum...because reasons!

Class/role forum logic dictates however, that when one has any concerns/ideas for improving a class/role, one must shriek loudly and explain things in the most dire, worst case scenario terms possible. Therefore, it is not enough to say "uhm, STR is new dmg scaler, and none of our accessories come with STR..hello SE...anyone?" You have to phrase it as "because our accessories don't have STR, we will never go on a raid, WAR will boycott, turn off the servers, queue times will destroy game, mass hysteria AARRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!! This apparently puts "emphasis" on the point that like almost every non-FotM job in any xpac in any MMO ever, things could be improved somewhat.

First rule of enjoying your job/class/role in any game - never visit the forums for that job/class/role.

[P4X0R10N]

Silver, I think at the point where you're at, you haven't done much tanking so you don't really see the problems yet.

To me, warrior went from a self healing/dps tank to one that relies on cooldowns and its just not that fun.

A couple other factors play into why warrior is not fun anymore. 1 is the rage cost for swapping stances, 2 is onslaught costing rage, and 3 is trying to line up 3 cooldowns really sucks the fun out of the fell cleave spam.

I suggest: making stance swap a fixed cost and making it reasonble, removing rage cost from onslaught, and baking berserk into infuriate or inner release or getting rid if one of the three cooldowns in some way.

[silverlunarfox]

1) You're not the only one.

2) You're missing the theoretical part of being 70 and never bringing your WAR to a raid because nobody will ever bring a WAR to raid, not ever, not even if Hell froze over...so says the forum...because reasons!

LOL Now my co-workers think I'm crazy since I laughed out loud to ....well this post...so thanks for that...

I guess I will never understand why people just can't work with what they got....It just seems far worse lately with SB than it did for HW...but maybe I've forgotten a few things over the years...

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I've done a ton of tanking (WOOOO for getting level locked twice in MSQ....)in SB thus far low and high (to my level). I started way back when as a "super bad pld" according to everyone, but I rocked the crap out of that "bad" class. I actually find Warrior to be even more fun with the gauge, and swapping stances, if you plan it out, won't hurt your gauge that badly. Plan out your swap and it's not that bad. But thats just me and my opinion I just learned from the "bad" paladin days I suppose to just use what I have to the fullest....even if you "suck" for wanting to play as it.






But as VenJenz pointed out, its is definitely the end of the world, so I guess I will just see myself out..... o/

[P4X0R10N]

Venjenz. To be fair, if he hasn\\'t done the dungeon in Azim steppe, he\\'s only done one maybe 2 dungeons and 1 trial. It\\'s hard to see the problems at that point with limited experience.

But wouldn\\'t u agree that some issues brought up are valid? Like shake it off is literally useless at this point? One shouldn\\'t have to wait for raids to be able to put an ability to use.

Second, I\\'d argue onslaught is useless too. There was literally no occasion in any dungeon or trial I\\'ve done from 60 to 70 end of msq where onslaught would have been needed or even beneficial considering the rage cost.

Third, warrior were dps, self healing tanks for the longest time

[P4X0R10N]

, now I feel it relies heavily on just chaining one damage mitigation cooldown after another. Kind of lost its identity you know?

I\\\\\\'m not good at articulating my thoughts and critiques, so I\\\\\\'ll just sum it up by saying that the class used to feel smooth and fluid, but now feels clunky. And where I felt that everyone of my abilities had its uses, I now have at least 2 that really are useless.

Don\\\\\\'t dismiss people\\\\\\'s critiques off the bat. I think some are valid

Really hope we get some kind of feedback from se soon.

[shao32]

I believe they should make them stackable but nvm, it would make some synergy between classes, which is what they seemed to want for SB)

dont think that, if they make it stakable then thats make WAR insta mandatory again, you know whe have serious issues with high DPS mentalitys over everything that make if this case happen DRK out of the formula, in the way we have know allow us to have DRK/PLD with a SAM or NIN with no need to have a WAR, and have WAR/(insert tank here) for set ups that dont include NIN or SAM, well this one is hard know with all the SAM walking around.

i dont think anything of this doom is as severe as some are trying to say, but i agreed for a "we go to put special love in balancing tanks and healers" was pretty bad, i think SE need to put all they combat desing team lock in a room and solve the issue for the tanks and stop walking in circles again and again.

[Venjenz]

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I don't have Shake It Off yet, so no idea how useful it is or isn't.

I use Onslaught. It has a variety of uses for bosses and trash. Distance closers are just handy tanking tools imho, especially ones that grant extra aggro. Could it do more dmg, generate more enmity and/or cost less? Sure, and maybe someday it will. But it works just fine in its current form for what it is supposed to do - close distance instantly. I use it when it makes sense, and I like having it.

Minus Bloodbath, WAR still are DPS self healing tanks. Minus Bloodbath, most of our self-heals are still there. The change to Berserk makes me feel more DPS-y, not less.

And yeah, it does feel like there is more defensive CD going on, but WAR are tanks so....

I guess I have done MMOs long enough to understand that every xpac gets followed with tweaks and updates on every class for at least the first 4-6 months. WAR could use a tweak here and a twist there, sure. But the reality in game is nowhere near as unplayable and godawful as people are making it sound. Fixing Tenacity would be huge, but there's no way SE doesn't understand that already. The scaling sucks ass, is worse than parry, and is clearly a development screw up (imho). Stuff will get tweaked/fixed. Bank on it.

[P4X0R10N]

Venjenz, I hope we get something soon with omega coming out.

On a tangent here, but war is great in pvp. = D