WAR is Trash Tier Now

[konpachizaraki]

The changes suggested by Xeno are overkill.
Change the Stance penalty to a flat 20 gauge, remove the share CD on unchained/IR and drop onslaught to 10 gauge and WAR would be in a very good spot.

no it's not an overkill, if inner release cooldown is still 2 minutes cooldown WAR DPS wise will still struggle against DRK/PLD, and as xeno said using onslaught is a dps loss so if SE still want to keep up the "consume gauge to use" thingy then they should buff the damage to at least 200
considering they have no utility at the moment that means they will still in end up in an unfavorable position and there's no reason to pick them up in raids

[Shinkyo]

Inner release on every Berserk window would be pretty ridiculous.
Onslaught cost too much gauge but it fine the way it is in terms of potency. At 10 gauge, you're pretty much doing an ogcd FC over time. It would work great to regulate gauge consumption for zerk windows and make use of the enhanced infuriate trait.
Shake it off, too early to tell. If we can use it on future raid, it saves a gcd a healer can use on a dps move, plus potentially increase our uptime.
BB at 20 rage in plain ridiculous if it our highest potency combo, our gauge builder and enmity move. Increasing S.Path to the same potency as BB wiuld make more sense, but still I don't think we need it to close the gap.

Also, I think it's flaud to evaluate WAR only from a deliverance stance point. We have the best mitigation toolkit and just adjusting the stance penalty and decoupling unchained/IR would make WAR the best MT.

[Vejitta]

I also think that BB with 20, although very welcomed, may cause more harm than cure. The reason why it gives 10, is so that Storm's Path can be still valid combo.
If we put put 20 to BB you would have to either nerf it's potency (which will hurt our tanking skills or buff Path potency, so WAR OT won't use BB)

Idea of IR being on 60 seconds is overkill, but I think that if it will stay on 120 and won't share CD with Unchained it will bring alot of fluidy to how we can plan (Unchained + Berserk + BBs for hate spike, IR + Berserk + FC for dmg spike, each every 60s).

Ideas are here and there are many to choose from by SE. It's only a question whether SE will go 2.x way or 3.x way of tank fixing.

[Fannah]

*Edited : shao32 answered me*

[Fannah]

Thanks shao32 for the answer ^^ (I believe they should make them stackable but nvm, it would make some synergy between classes, which is what they seemed to want for SB)

So... it means the best dps (SAM) synergizes well with the best tank (PLD). Good design here

[shao32]

I believe they should make them stackable but nvm, it would make some synergy between classes, which is what they seemed to want for SB)

dont think that, if they make it stakable then thats make WAR insta mandatory again, you know whe have serious issues with high DPS mentalitys over everything that make if this case happen DRK out of the formula, in the way we have know allow us to have DRK/PLD with a SAM or NIN with no need to have a WAR, and have WAR/(insert tank here) for set ups that dont include NIN or SAM, well this one is hard know with all the SAM walking around.

i dont think anything of this doom is as severe as some are trying to say, but i agreed for a "we go to put special love in balancing tanks and healers" was pretty bad, i think SE need to put all they combat desing team lock in a room and solve the issue for the tanks and stop walking in circles again and again.

[Inuk9]

I love this. Now WAR will feel like PLD felt in 3.x

SB best expansion ever.

[konpachizaraki]

I love this. Now WAR will feel like PLD felt in 3.x

SB best expansion ever.

they already did in the past, it's called 2.0
and that's a shit mentality to have, that means if PLD somehow ended up in the same shithole as they were in 3.x in the future they should not get fixed because they were cocky in 4.0 is that what you're trying to say?

[Inuk9]

they already did in the past, it's called 2.0
and that's a shit mentality to have, that means if PLD somehow ended up in the same shithole as they were in 3.x in the future they should not get fixed because they were cocky in 4.0 is that what you're trying to say?

Yep, have fun.