Monks, what do you think of Riddle of Fire?

[Kahnom]

New skils are suppose to be more fun.
They should have added two 4th combo skills (Rear/Flank) for us to compensate for losing ToD and fracture.
Riddle of Earth/Fire ain't needed in my opinion.I can live without them.

Back to the topic : Riddle of Fire
While damage increased is not bad but forcing us to lower our speed is centainly not the answer.

[Brownondorf]

It is absolutely awful to use and they need to patch it and get rid of the speed reduction.

[RyuDragnier]

It feels a bit awkward unless you have a ton of Skill Speed on you, at which point it doesn't feel as bad. It feels more like it was created simply to force MNKs to stack Skill Speed, which most MNKs ignored back in ARR and HW simply because GL3 provided all the Skill Speed we could ever need (plus the TP strain and lack of any TP heal outside of Invigorate made it REALLY counter intuitive back in ARR).

[Crushing_Wake]

I think the best way to put it is the speed drop bothers me, a lot. I like going fast. I don't want to lose that. Riddle of Fire /almost/ feels like you're losing stacks.
... But, the damage buff is pretty big. So I guess I don't like how the ability functions, but I like the damage?

[Zohnax]

People need to stop being so dramatic about Riddle of Fire. It's a 20% damage increase over Blood for Blood for a total of 30% for a 20second period every 90seconds. We're not losing Greased Lightning, it's still there. Riddle of Fire is has the capacity to be utilized quite well. Brotherhood on the other hand is a different story.

Brotherhood buffs everyone else except the MNK using it. That means that while playing solo at Lv70, Brotherhood is effectively useless. Meanwhile, Embolden hits the casting RDM, although it doesn't do much to boost their damage, Battle Litany hits the casting DRG, so why can't MNK, who has dropped damn near to the bottom of the DPS jobs, get that measly 5% buff? Frankly, either the proc rates on Deep Meditation/Brotherhood need to be adjusted higher or the Forbidden Chakra nerf need to be undone.

We also don't have Riddle of Wind. :l

[SpeckledBurd]

People need to stop being so dramatic about Riddle of Fire. It's a 20% damage increase over Blood for Blood for a total of 30% for a 20second period every 90seconds. We're not losing Greased Lightning, it's still there. Riddle of Fire is has the capacity to be utilized quite well. Brotherhood on the other hand is a different story.

It's not though, the loss of GCDs during the time frame during the 20 second duration makes it more like a 3% gain over Blood for Blood at the cost of the feeling of the Job's characteristic buff. I'm not playing Monk because I want to see huge numbers appear on screen, I'm playing it because I enjoy the feeling of attacking quickly and Riddle of Fire takes that away.

[Zohnax]

It's not though, the loss of GCDs during the time frame during the 20 second duration makes it more like a 3% gain over Blood for Blood at the cost of the feeling of the Job's characteristic buff. I'm not playing Monk because I want to see huge numbers appear on screen, I'm playing it because I enjoy the feeling of attacking quickly and Riddle of Fire takes that away.

Except you're wrong. At GL3 without Riddle of Fire, I can fit 10 GCDs within 20seconds and with Riddle of Fire, I can fit 9 GCDs. You're also forgetting the 20% boost over Blood for Blood for off-GCDs as well, so no, it's not only a 3% gain.

EDIT: Let's add some numbers:

At Lv70, with Skill Speed of 1113 and a weapon Delay of 2.56
Recast with no Greased Lightning is 2.39
With GL1: 2.27
With GL2: 2.15
With GL3: 2.03
Now incorporating Riddle of Fire w/ GL3: 2.33
We basically hit at the speed of other DPS jobs for 20seconds, and then go back to our speed, which is still dealing with less than a third of a second.

[HoLoFoNo]

People need to stop being so dramatic about Riddle of Fire. It's a 20% damage increase over Blood for Blood for a total of 30% for a 20second period every 90seconds. We're not losing Greased Lightning, it's still there. Riddle of Fire is has the capacity to be utilized quite well. Brotherhood on the other hand is a different story.

Brotherhood buffs everyone else except the MNK using it. That means that while playing solo at Lv70, Brotherhood is effectively useless. Meanwhile, Embolden hits the casting RDM, although it doesn't do much to boost their damage, Battle Litany hits the casting DRG, so why can't MNK, who has dropped damn near to the bottom of the DPS jobs, get that measly 5% buff? Frankly, either the proc rates on Deep Meditation/Brotherhood need to be adjusted higher or the Forbidden Chakra nerf need to be undone.

We also don't have Riddle of Wind. :l

You do have riddle of wind lol, the 2nd tackle is riddle of wind even if it isn't the same as the other riddles.

Idk where you got your info from, but MNK is still up there. It's the 2nd strongest melee dps and its like 4/5th overall (5/6th if you go off of the stone sea sky and solo parses which doesn't factor in the chakras gained from brotherhood). I agree the BH should buff MNK since its only like 5% but BH does have pretty good uptime (16.7% similar to trick attack).

The issue with Riddle of Fire isn't with the fact that it is a weak ability, it's the fact that it goes against MNKs core mechanic and not everyone plays the game for the parser numbers, some people play classes because the like the FEEL of the class.

Now you could argue that they should just not use Riddle of Fire but the point is that most people are ok with the extra damage it provides, but they don't like the way it was done.

[Zohnax]

Ah, I never noticed there was an additional Shoulder Tackle icon that said Riddle of Wind, lol.

There was supposedly some parse results posted up on reddit that showed the tier of where all the jobs ranked in terms of damage.

I understand, a reduction of 15% can feel like a lot, but in reality, people should think of it as MNKs putting more focus into their attacks rather than just flailing wildly. ;3

EDIT:
But yeah, I'm not sure how much I believe that, tbh. I've seen some nice Crits with Tornado Kick for 24k+ and if Crit'ing a Forbidden Chakra a GCD before that for like 10k+? So good.

[stanrir]

People need to stop being so dramatic about Riddle of Fire.

I hate riddle of fire for the fact that it slows me down which makes me use less weapon skills in that time, and I need weapon skill crits to have a chance to get a chakra stack. so while this damage increase makes us feel slower it also hurts our ability to get FC off.

also agree with brotherhood that should buff mnks 5% also