Why was pvp chat disabled?

[JinTabasa]

.....does SE have a history of listening to players btw? Aside from the time where they almost sank the game with 1.0 lol

Well we've asked them to take GC restrictions out of frontlines for the longest time and it took them like 2-3 years to actually do it.
Then there's also all the requests and ideas for DRK buffs pre 4.0 to help it become viable and they went and buffed it in a way that didn't fix a damn thing. So it's really a big roll of dice whether they listen or not.

[Urthdigger]

I'd love to have chat back. I'd also like to not have healing involve an endless parade of people telling me I ought to kill myself because they LoS my heals better than the enemy nukes.

[Ailis]

tldr: it was becoming league of legends

[Lynart]

tldr: it was becoming league of legends

You do not play any MOBA if you think XIV has been anywhere near a MOBA in terms of toxicity.

[JinTabasa]

That's because people don't send in reports about people discussing strategy. In my experience, there was far more constructive speaking and macros than general toxicity.

Yoshi, and SE in general, have no idea what they're talking about regarding PvP.

Even with chat gone, toxicity still exists with people who constantly spam "Nice job!" or "Good match!" whenever just one person (or even themself) dies.

[Shut]

Correction: they never lifted GC restriction because players were asking for it, but because they knew Garo event would be undoable if they kept it. And sometimes, I think the same reason along with toxicity apply to chat restriction: you know what happen when you stand between an average FF XIV player and his mount.

[Edit] And yeah, you don't send reports when people are actually discussing strategy for flaming. By experience, I've seen less toxicity in higher ranked match (plat/diamond) than in lowest rank. And in my personnal case, I'm far from being a good pvper but I've never been insulted/flamed, at best a few salty comments once or twice when I messed up.

[Zojha]

By experience, I've seen less toxicity in higher ranked match (plat/diamond) than in lowest rank.

By my own experience, I haven't seen any noteworthy toxicity outside of ranked at all. The worst "Toxicity" I had in 8vs8 was some guy wishing they could give negative commendations to a guy who switched from being the sole healer in the team to a DPS like the rest. I haven't heard of toxicity from the older players who did Wolves Den at the time either - worst was wintrading for PvP rank farming. Frontlines happen to still have the chat, which doesn't surprise me - I haven't seen more than immature dick picture macros there either.

To me, it seems very clear the actual issue is Ranked and that's what should've been removed, not the chat. But that's beating a dead horse at this point - it's not gonna happen, especially with those lolzworthy E-Sports ambitions. And thus, neither is the chat restriction going to be lifted. It's quite the joke and the people who still take Ranked seriously the punchline. Personally, I just stick to frontlines - It's mindless chaos, there's bots, AFKlers... but at least I can crack a joke or two about them, rather than going:"Nice Job!"

[Korihu]

I remember there was so much talk about toxic this and toxic that that I decided I wanted to start a "Salt Album" in Season 3 to screenshot and put in all of the toxic or salt or funny things that happen in chat. Out of the 150 or so games I played before the chat was removed, and I play a healer mind you, I only had two screenshots to show for it. And both those screenshots were just some salt directed at the enemy team and I had nothing mean directed towards myself or other teammates. I asked my friends to give me their screenshots so I could fill the album and though they did have actual salt in their screenshots, it was still only a very very small percentage of the games they played. That was when I realised that it really wasn't as common as people make it out to be. They just remember the games where people are mean more and somehow exaggerate it that it happens every game. Or they really do just need to improve, though people being toxic is still not excusable. (but you can still easily just report them and they'll be gone in a few seconds because chat harassment reports are the only reports gms respond to)

[Shut]

I based my thought on what I saw in feast 4v4 before chat was removed only, so I can't really compare with 8v8 back then cause it was almost impossible to pop before garo event. However, you're right that ranked can turn peoples into assholes (especially with that poor matchmaking), but it's up to SE to bring tools for moderation (some have been already proposed in other threads) instead of just muting everyone.
And tbh, we have yet to see GM taking actions when it comes to punish cheaters/afkers/wintraders, and some were well known by both pve community and SE team, and that's only a mistake from SE. It only comfort into the thinking that SE has no clue how pvp works, and the new pvp changes don't help either.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Can you say the "majority" isn't a skewed result based on reports? You know, because who reports their team discussing strategies, or actually having legit, non-toxic conversations?

It's easy to look at what's wrong and make rash decisions (a la chat restrictions) and completely overlook all that's actually good in the process. Which is what they did. No harrassment, but no strategy either. And no instructions for all the new players they brought in after that. Also again, I raise you the notable double standard in that toxicity happens in PvE content too, and as it's been far more popular, one could say "the majority of [PvE] chat. . .", so why hasn't a chat ban been considered for that then?