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    Araxes's Avatar
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    Addressing the current Problems with the Dungeonfinder / Ex roulettes and Playerroles

    I know i might get a lot of hate for this, but its better to Adress problems sooner than later. Currently we have to wait up to 80 minutes for a Ex roulette or Ex dungeon as a DPS wich is unbearable with already having to wait hours to be even able to log into the game. What happend? Well: A lot of Tanks, myself included, are extremely unhappy how WAR'S and DRK's turned out with SB. I picked PLD cause it seemed the only good Option after i read all those nerfs on the others.

    I brought it up to 70, ran a lot of roulettes with it / killed Lakshmi EX and im just bored to Death, so i tried Samurai wich i fell in love with instantly. Its not only me here. Almost every Tank i have in my Friendslist now plays a DPS job and is probably gonna stay with it.

    Yoshi said that with HW people mostly stayed with theyr old roles and they expect people to behave the same Way with SB. It came out totally different. The jobs introduced with HW were very underpowered and 20 Levels away from the new Content including NO Palace of the Dead to catch up fast.
    The new SB jobs were only 10 levels Away and were HIGHLY requested with POTD as a fast catch up option.

    What we need very soon: Fixes to the Tanks, Give Warriors flash back so they have less trouble with pulling large groups of mobs, remove the Job gauge killing while switching stance so it doesnt feel we dont have anything to do, just things like that (wich is ofc WAY not all that needs to be changed). Maybe.. MAYBE reconsider Samurai being a DPS. A ton of people prayed its going to be a Tank. Ofc there is a small percantage that likes the changes but it really is the case that most Tanks or now former Tanks are not happy with it.

    Just to make it clear: this is not a flamethread or whatever people may call it, i just wanted to point out some (clearly not all) of the problems.

    Thank you and have a nice Day.
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    It will even out with time. If not, make friends. As a healer, I always invite my FC members before I queue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    It will even out with time. If not, make friends. As a healer, I always invite my FC members before I queue.
    Great, so your friends don't have to wait but 2 strangers still have to, because you didn't play with them. If you hadn't gone with friends, your friends would have to wait and the strangers would not. How does that help the situation exactly? It only shifts the issue around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    Great, so your friends don't have to wait but 2 strangers still have to, because you didn't play with them. If you hadn't gone with friends, your friends would have to wait and the strangers would not. How does that help the situation exactly? It only shifts the issue around.
    Then play a tank or healer.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    Then play a tank or healer.....
    That doesn't make it any better either, because people who don't play a tank or healer don't play it for a good reason - They don't enjoy it. You are literally telling people to either play something they don't enjoy or not play at all for large amounts of time. You could just flip them the finger and say:"Screw you, got mine!" instead, that'd convey the same message.

    Addressing the issue in a constructive way can only two ways:

    First, brainstorming how to allow more DPS to play their favorite job without long queue times.
    And that's fairly simple: You can open more slots for DPS (you can go all the way to 1-1-6 with a full party setup), or you can develop more content that doesn't need tanks or healers in the first place. The latter marginalizes tanks and healers, the prior will cause issues when the content itself is in low demand, as the issue becomes finding players in the first place.

    Second, brainstorming ways on how to make tanking and healing more fun, so that more people pick up these jobs on their own volition.
    That one is hard, because fun is subjective. I know I loved tanking speedruns as DRK, with it's 15 seconds of yolo no-grit godmode via Blood Price DA-Abyssal spam. Other people apparently didn't like that as much. You'll probably end up realizing that making tanks and healers more DPS focused isn't such a bad thing, as DPS players will become more inclined to switch. At the cost of the core players of the role, unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    Great, so your friends don't have to wait but 2 strangers still have to, because you didn't play with them. If you hadn't gone with friends, your friends would have to wait and the strangers would not. How does that help the situation exactly? It only shifts the issue around.
    I mean, this is a MMO. Obviously, people who have connections will far better than people who have none.

    I do think they really should have thought more about tank and healer changes because I bet less people are playing them now.
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    They are not gonna reconsider the role for an entire job. Not only would that be a waste of time, a lot of the people who play samurai for the dps aspect (myself included) will be...less than happy. If there are problems with tank jobs that veteran tanks are seeing, then SE needs to fix those. If people wanna jump ship to dps jobs because tanks suck, then that's that. People's minds change like the seasons, so those who switched now, most will probably switch again if satisfactory changes are made.
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    If anything, we can be sure that Yoshi-P will take a look into the job balance. But it's hard to expect the team to react to that, based on a few days of expansion.
    We may see some job adjustments with Omega raid introduction, surely with 4.1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vejitta View Post
    If anything, we can be sure that Yoshi-P will take a look into the job balance. But it's hard to expect the team to react to that, based on a few days of expansion.
    We may see some job adjustments with Omega raid introduction, surely with 4.1.
    Nobody expects the team to react to a few days of the expansion. They expect them to react to the months of feedback prior to its release that said exactly this would happen.
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    I think we really all should vote with our play time, because it does matter if all the WARs and DRKs stop playing. SE will be pretty much forced to look at changing some things.
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