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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    Pro tip: To be a good WHM, you should be ignoring that gauge.
    Let's say I happen to have three lilies and the tank is down to about 70% health. Regen is already ticking but the mobs are hitting hard. I've decided that I want to top off the tank and apply Asylum to give myself more time to DPS. Let's say I don't take lilies into account. I could top off the tank with Cure II, then cast Asylum. I'd have zero lilies afterwards since Cure II can't proc a fourth lily and I used it before freeing up space with Asylum. Excellent. Lilies ignored, mission accomplished. However, should I notice my full lily meter, I would cast Asylum first, then top off the tank with Cure II. I'd gain one lily from that (proper) sequencing of abilities. Why is that one lily important? Because I'd then have the prerequisite requirements for Divine Benison, which I could immediately cast to give myself even more time to DPS.
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    I don't understand all the hate on lilies. I'm only 67 on WHM currently but I enjoy the mechanic.
    Since everyone is planning to run AST now, I think I'll main WHM for 4.x.
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    The only downside to ast now is that they're garbage solo cause they do less damage than everyone else.

    Just wait, though, I bet that'll change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levy9 View Post
    Let's say I happen to have three lilies and the tank is down to about 70% health. Regen is already ticking but the mobs are hitting hard. I've decided that I want to top off the tank and apply Asylum to give myself more time to DPS. Let's say I don't take lilies into account. I could top off the tank with Cure II, then cast Asylum. I'd have zero lilies afterwards since Cure II can't proc a fourth lily and I used it before freeing up space with Asylum. Excellent. Lilies ignored, mission accomplished. However, should I notice my full lily meter, I would cast Asylum first, then top off the tank with Cure II. I'd gain one lily from that (proper) sequencing of abilities. Why is that one lily important? Because I'd then have the prerequisite requirements for Divine Benison, which I could immediately cast to give myself even more time to DPS.
    Why would you change the sequence of your abilities when you don't have lilies?
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    Sharl Llyntine
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    Level 70 WHM here. I will say this, despite everything wrong with the job, despite it feels tremendously weaker and less engaging than AST, it is wui fun.

    Holy spam is better than ever, Assize feels very powerful with a huge radius centered in you, and their DPS capability is outstanding.

    Now, if you're not the type to take advantage of healer DPS, WHM is going to be insanely boring. Lilies is disappointing, Plenary Indulgence is hellishly broken (in a bad way), so you'll mostly sit there casting Cure II over and over. They have nothing outside of DPS, so ask yourself this:
    Do you want to focus on damage and healing, or do you want to focus more on support and healing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry View Post
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    You and I must be having super different experiences in the 70+ game. Before I decided to throw in the towel due to boredom, I could barely get a holy off before I had to spam the tank with cures. Oddly enough, it was only on bosses when I'd have a bit of respite to do cast some damaging spells aside from the odd holy or Aero III and Assize of course. I used to run my MP ragged casting holy and doing damage in HW. Now most of my MP goes into cure spam =/
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    Last edited by Reiryuu; 06-25-2017 at 04:21 PM. Reason: fix typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiryuu View Post
    You and I must be having super different experiences in the 70+ game. Before I decided to throw in the towel due to boredom, I could barely get a holy off before I had to spam the tank with cures. Oddly enough, it was only on bosses when I'd have a bit of respite to do cast some damaging spells aside from the odd holy or Aero III and Assize of course. I used to run my MP ragged casting holy and doing damage in SB. Now most of my MP goes into cure spam =/
    Hmm, perhaps it's the tanks you've healed for? For me, I'm fine with tossing them a Regen and going straight to Swiftcast holy, Assize, holy 6 times, Benediction, and then it is, indeed, cure spam. That's mostly an issue with our current gear though.

    Don't get me wrong though, there is a serious problem with WHM. Even I'm getting my Monk to 70 so I can drop WHM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    I don't understand all the hate on lilies. I'm only 67 on WHM currently but I enjoy the mechanic.
    1) Some people just love to complain.
    2) Some people are unable to adapt.
    3) Some people's idea of balance: "If my job isn't overpowered, FEED ME BUFFS."
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    Or maybe, I don't know, it's a poorly designed, low impact system tacked onto the job -- and lots of people agree with that assessment.

    Did you think Wanderer's Minuet was the pinnacle of game design too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabzy View Post
    1) Some people just love to complain.
    2) Some people are unable to adapt.
    3) Some people's idea of balance: "If my job isn't overpowered, FEED ME BUFFS."
    1) Not everyone is easily amused and like to look at the pretty flowers.
    2) Some people like to use Medica, Medica II and Regen as opposed to just Cure I and Cure II.
    3) Some people realize how little of an improvement over Stoneskin Divine Benison really is for the restrictions of its use.
    4) Some people actually want spells they can, you know, actually use reliably unlike Plenary Indulgence.
    5) Some people were hoping for more variety and not less.
    Joke ) Not all people are into Yuri.
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