Royal Menagerie

[Pomo]

Well, after quite a few attempts, this casual dungeon runner will never do it again IF I make it through. IMO, it is too difficult for a MSQ for more casual players and putting a flight aether behind it ain't cool.

The duty is pretty easy. I've managed to one shot it with a group of friends on one character where I was even able to survive eating avoidable aoes and the tail as noct Ast. However, I tried using df with another character and it isn't going to happen. The playerbase is really bad in general. Pf is going to be your best option. Don't ever do this in df unless you like hurting yourself.

Having said that, whether or not Menagerie gets nerfed depends entirely on the clear rate. If enough players are clearing then it won't get nerfed. If enough players aren't then it'll get hammered. The major issue with it right now is that it blocks the new tomestone vendors which means new players aren't able to overgear it. It's also getting a really bad reputation and I've seen a lot of tanks and/or healers just leave as soon as they zone in. Even among friends, it's hard getting people to do it as they really don't like it at all or just had enough bad experiences with it that they ignore its existence.

[Airget]

I"d say a big issue is they need to restrict entrance to the Level Content MSQ dungeon and trial, making it required to completed X job you are on. There is no excuse for it, you need that last ability and you need that gear to be competent. What makes this a pain is having people enter the content with lv 60-69 gear on the left side when they have a job quest that will happily fill 6 of their slots with i290 gear.

[TaleraRistain]

I"d say a big issue is they need to restrict entrance to the Level Content MSQ dungeon and trial, making it required to completed X job you are on. There is no excuse for it, you need that last ability and you need that gear to be competent. What makes this a pain is having people enter the content with lv 60-69 gear on the left side when they have a job quest that will happily fill 6 of their slots with i290 gear.

The gear definitely but there are some classes like mine where our level 70 ability is trash. I used DB way more in this fight than PI.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Like most of the MSQ instanced content this battle's mechanics are more of a review or maybe a quiz at the end of a lesson. The game is essentially saying you should know all of these mechanics before you move beyond this point. Adding a min ilvl might help a little also. Completing job quest at lv 70 as mentioned will get you 6 pieces of ilvl 290 gear and you have access to the ala mihgo 4 man duty you cleared right before it that drops ilvl 300 gear.

I don't see any reason to make this trial easier as the cause of the difficulty falls on players either not wanting to learn battle mechanics or not wanting to gear properly for it.

[Subucnimorning]

Like most of the MSQ instanced content this battle's mechanics are more of a review or maybe a quiz at the end of a lesson. The game is essentially saying you should know all of these mechanics before you move beyond this point. Adding a min ilvl might help a little also. Completing job quest at lv 70 as mentioned will get you 6 pieces of ilvl 290 gear and you have access to the ala mihgo 4 man duty you cleared right before it that drops ilvl 300 gear.

I don't see any reason to make this trial easier as the cause of the difficulty falls on players either not wanting to learn battle mechanics or not wanting to gear properly for it.

Not to mention all mechanics have been seen in some form or another up to that point, none of the mechanics are a huge surprise outside of that green crystal mechanic which isn't as apparent as to what it does

[Lyrai_Celestine]

Not to mention all mechanics have been seen in some form or another up to that point, none of the mechanics are a huge surprise outside of that green crystal mechanic which isn't as apparent as to what it does

The green crystal mechanic will confuse anyone. I'd say the other one would be the Earth Breath (bait mechanic) since the sign itself is indeed quite confusing at first.

And then the rest of the mechanics we have faced before. Proximity mechanic first appeared against Ultima... Stack mechanic against Nidhogg and especially a lot of it in SB's dungeons... Shiva for the cold feet... Hrasvelgr from Sohr Khai for the dissapearing platforms... The Vault for the chains mechanic, Ravana for the stomp, Ramuh for the spread mechanic, Leviathan for the super knockbacks... Tiamat from Sohm Al for the Earth Breath (bait mechanic)... Neverreap / Zenos for the push away mechanic... not counting various instanced boss battles... there are plenty enough relations and practice to get familiar with the skill curve. Plenty, I'd say! Shinryu is but the culmination of everything we've been taught.

[iluvOP]

It's fun, its intense and its pretty long too.
However, in most of our runs, DPS players (SAM players, I see you, yeah I follow what you do in those runs) mess up so many things that it becomes a nightmare for the healers. Tanks are already really busy not dying and begging for mercy, but when DPS players cant stop messing around, it all starts to slowly, but surely fall apart. It can get a bit frustrating at times.
People have no patience for it so its starting to remind me of pre-nerf steps of faith or leviathan extreme when it came out.
I wish people had more patience with it and with those who don't know it. Too many damn times we go into it and "oh, its this" and someone leaves or starts calling people names before the boss is even pulled. I love the groups that try until the very end, even if its a no clear. People who have the patience and the willingness to learn are the real champs.

I cannot WAIT for an extreme version. Please let there be an extreme version.

[Kaiden019]

It's fun, its intense and its pretty long too.
However, in most of our runs, DPS players (SAM players, I see you, yeah I follow what you do in those runs) mess up so many things that it becomes a nightmare for the healers. Tanks are already really busy not dying and begging for mercy, but when DPS players cant stop messing around, it all starts to slowly, but surely fall apart. It can get a bit frustrating at times.

No one role or class is responsible for mess ups. I have seen plenty of lazy healers and tanks not doing the mechanics.

[Mirch]

Im casual too, cleared a few nights ago with 5 first timers, we wiped i think 4 times. I didnt find it that hard, but that because to me it seemed most mechanics were recycled from previous duties so i was more familiar with them. Been playing for a while now

[Subucnimorning]

I got it today on trial roulette, the increase in gear has really made it a lot easier. There were 4 new players and it was a 1 shot despite many deaths, like people predicted it is possible to carry quite a few people through with gear