Question to mages that have played post-update (specifically nukers)

[Kinseykinz]

i dont play CNJ dude, im a THM main and Cura cannot be cross classed = too little options for curing this makes leve quests much more difficult than before and partying as the only mage much more difficult.
i had to quit my party last night because we didnt have a CNJ and i couldnt heal for as much as the party needed.

I had no issues doing faction leves solo as THM.

Party Play. You are a DD/ back up healer now. While it is completely doable to go exp/spiritbond without a CNJ in the party, some mobs will need a CNJ for -aga cures. But if exp parties rely on self-cures and on THM helping keep tank HP's up, no reason that a THM can't be in an exp party as the only mage. Exp parties don't even need mages depending on what you're killing.

This being said, yesterday was the first day of 1.20. We need to all learn the new class system etc. Some of the past exp camps might not be so good now. Raptors, I'm looking at you....

[Jinko]

i also hate having only 1 cure option and no enfeebling and extremely high costs of nukes.

You have 3 cure options 5 if you include Sacred Prism + Cure/Cura. (Granted Nukes are far too costly)

Why do you play a game that you hate so much ?

Edit:- I see you meant on THM, I have no issu soloing on THM, use Thundaga/Firaga Combos and you shouldn't even need to cure.

i had to quit my party last night because we didnt have a CNJ and i couldnt heal for as much as the party needed.

Well if you refuse to play as a healer you only have yourself to blame, can't have it both ways.

[Ricepudding]

comparing Aero and Stone nukes on Moogles vs. Amal'jaa, I have roughly even numbers between Aero (~300ish dmg) and Stone (~340ish dmg). However, at the Amal'jaa stronghold, my Aero was hitting for only 400ish, while my Stone was hitting for 800ish.

This leads me to believe that either Amal'jaa are now either weak to Earth Magic, or resistant to Wind Magic. The reason I can't really tell is that I'm not sure how much of an effect the level difference between Moogle boss mobs and Lv52 Amal'jaa has on my nuke damage.

Either way, Amal'jaa were weak to wind previously, as they are Fire elemental. It would appear that Fire could be weak to Earth now? (More testing obviously required)

[EdenArchangel]

The fire series are for AoE nuking, thunder series is for single target spike damage, blizzard is for oh-shi bind and heavy and run.

The past elemental wheel is clearly apparent, and sucks since so many mobs are earth-based and resist lightning.
Ex. Can kill a 53 Ixali with a thunder>thundara>thundaga combo, takes two of these combos to kill a 53 wolf. (and a 45s recast means that's not happening.

Hopefully that sheds some light, I feel very constrained with nuking.

[Alhanelem]

The only thing I really noticed is my THM can actually do some real damage now.

I'm rank 37 right now, and wipe the floor with rank 40 leves that kicked my butt just the day before.

I'm sitll annoyed by the shield changes, however- strangely, I have a very high blockrate, so I'm not really missing the shield actions that much, and the vast increase in power THM got in this update made me real happy. MP management is a little more tricky than it used to be though.

However, I must say the disappearance of water is mystifying.

[MicahZerrshia]

The only thing I really noticed is my THM can actually do some real damage now.

I'm rank 37 right now, and wipe the floor with rank 40 leves that kicked my butt just the day before.

I'm sitll annoyed by the shield changes, however- strangely, I have a very high blockrate, so I'm not really missing the shield actions that much, and the vast increase in power THM got in this update made me real happy. MP management is a little more tricky than it used to be though.

However, I must say the disappearance of water is mystifying.

My thm is 50 and I can lay waste with it. It def got a sweet boost to nukes. MP pool is a bit lacking but you can materia that a bit.

As for Water, we are only 50, who knows what the future will bring when we get a jump in lvl cap. Perhaps we will see a revival in ancient magic too. ^^ I'm just happy they left magic as auto-learned abilities. The sheer cost of scrolls in xi detered way to many ppl from playing mage classes.

[Kinseykinz]

However, I must say the disappearance of water is mystifying.

/snowball

...used up all the available water and froze it yo

[Spellbinder]

If you want to play a healer your going to have to do con tho, its the way the game is going. Every class has its role, there was no need for 2 mage classes if they did the exact same thing.

The problem I see with this is that the Jobs are supposed to be defined roles. Classes are supposed to be versatile for light parties and solo, but mages got pigeonholed anyway. But that's not the point of this thread.

On topic:

The past elemental wheel is clearly apparent, and sucks since so many mobs are earth-based and resist lightning.
Ex. Can kill a 53 Ixali with a thunder>thundara>thundaga combo, takes two of these combos to kill a 53 wolf. (and a 45s recast means that's not happening.

Hopefully that sheds some light, I feel very constrained with nuking.

This worries me.

[Baxter]

The problem I see with this is that the Jobs are supposed to be defined roles. Classes are supposed to be versatile for light parties and solo, but mages got pigeonholed anyway. But that's not the point of this thread.

On topic:


This worries me.

yeah but wolves die easy to earthbased nukes

[Urthdigger]

While it does kinda suck that I can't choose the exact right element for the job every time now, on the whole I'm more effective. Doing leves set to my level, I'm running around 1-2 shotting most mobs in the leve, and they don't even come close to breaking my stoneskin most of the time (Only exception being when I get a downright horde of mooks and miss being able to freely AoE).

Granted, I'm only 37, maybe you guys get shafted down the line, but for now putting up stoneskin and blowing stuff away is just rocking.