SAM out classing all other DPS

[Leonus]

So what trade off should Sam have then? I think people are just jealous and need to calm down.

Sam needs to be 2% above Drg with only slashing debuff and no other utility while being sorely behind non and Mnk. Sam also needs to have all it's combo buffs set to 10 seconds since 30 seconds is too long compared to other jobs.

Higanbana also neds to have its duration dropped from 1 minute to 17 seconds.

Hagakure should only ever consume half a Sen.

Meditate should only give you 20 kenki.

Midare should be matched to Mnks highest potency move before GL3 buffs are applied.

Guren should be nerfed to 400 potency.

Meikyo should be 3 minute cool down like PB.

Sam's regular potency moves should be weaker than drgs AND the should have no way to buff their damage still.

The moment the overlap a Sen, the Sam should damage itself with a move to commit suicide:seppuku

Increase the kenki costs of all kenki abilities by 20.

Any missed positional result in 75% damage reduction and a subtraction of kenki from your kenki bar. Make every move a positional that has the same stipulation!! Even the kenki abilities!

Please make these changes happen SE. These changes have to happen to quell the masses and kill the class!!!!

[Oscura]

Sam needs to be 2% above Drg with only slashing debuff and no other utility while being sorely behind non and Mnk. Sam also needs to have all it's combo buffs set to 10 seconds since 30 seconds is too long compared to other jobs.

Higanbana also neds to have its duration dropped from 1 minute to 17 seconds.

Hagakure should only ever consume half a Sen.

Meditate should only give you 20 kenki.

Midare should be matched to Mnks highest potency move before GL3 buffs are applied.

Guren should be nerfed to 400 potency.

Meikyo should be 3 minute cool down like PB.

Sam's regular potency moves should be weaker than drgs AND the should have no way to buff their damage still.

The moment the overlap a Sen, the Sam should damage itself with a move to commit suicide:seppuku

Increase the kenki costs of all kenki abilities by 20.

Any missed positional result in 75% damage reduction and a subtraction of kenki from your kenki bar. Make every move a positional that has the same stipulation!! Even the kenki abilities!

Please make these changes happen SE. These changes have to happen to quell the masses and kill the class!!!!

Sorry, but I had to post to just say this meltdown is totally sad.
If you don't like people criticizing your class, then just stop reading the OF or posting here.
No need to get all hyperbolic and make posts full of vitriol.

I know we've disagreed in the past but I at least respected your opinion.

[Leonus]

Sorry, but I had to post to just say this meltdown is totally sad.
If you don't like people criticizing your class, then just stop reading the OF or posting here.
No need to get all hyperbolic and make posts full of vitriol.

I know we've disagreed in the past but I at least respected your opinion.

Might be laced with vitriol, but also some up a lot of the arguments in this thread against Sam while going more extreme. I added a couple but.. meh. People will never be happy, at least not everyone. The criticism doesn't bother me that much, what does bother me more is when people do not really look at the class and not really doing Fair comparisons. People tend to overexagerate their own problems, it's human nature. Yea, some classes need help, i.e. drg/mch/smh and possibly blm. What I constantly see though sums up as "i wanna deal raw dmg like Sam but I don't wanna play it".

Why not add a positional to every attack for Sam, turn it into mnk and make them loose potency and kenki? Then they loose something on 2 fronts since apparently Sam looses nothing else ever during the course of a fight in comparison to everyone else. (Which at It's base is not true, Nin looses even less than Sam and mnk can get back to where it was rather quickly even without PB.)
At that point, Sam then becomes the most punished class for missing a positional, and maybe people will stop complaining.

I don't care people think the class is easy or hard, or appears less punishing but people aren't looming at things equally when making comparisons to other classes and just throw things out there. At east thats what it seems like to me.

Edit: your most recent longer post is a good post and pointed out some good things that I agree with. Remember I said most people don't appear to make sound arguments and through our past quotes I have respected your opinions. J read the OFs mainly for fun, but when I see inaccurate I formation outside of numbers it tends to get under my skin (like most people) and I feel compelled to post to At least provide my viewpoint on why said information appears to be incorrect.

[Janhyua]

Sam needs to be 2% above Drg with only slashing debuff and no other utility while being sorely behind non and Mnk. Sam also needs to have all it's combo buffs set to 10 seconds since 30 seconds is too long compared to other jobs.

You are one sad dragoon lol

Pity you really... how about you play samurai study the job play it to its full potential and then come back here for a discussion because all of the point you mentioned is basically delete samurai and that make you a one sad peraon

[Oscura]

You are one sad dragoon lol

Pity you really... how about you play samurai study the job play it to its full potential and then come back here for a discussion because all of the point you mentioned is basically delete samurai and that make you a one sad peraon

He IS a Samurai.

His post is sarcastically and more importantly aggressively addressing the complaints people are making with as much hyperbole as possible.

He is essentially agreeing with you.

Edit: It's clear that for some people the forum isn't to read or discuss things, more just to talk at the other person and belligerently repeat their opinions. "Anything that conveniences specifically me cannot be criticized," might as well be the motto for the OF.

[Janhyua]

He IS a Samurai.

His post is sarcastically and more importantly aggressively addressing the complaints people are making with as much hyperbole as possible.

He is essentially agreeing with you.

Edit: It's clear that for some people the forum isn't to read or discuss things, more just to talk at the other person and belligerently repeat their opinions. "Anything that conveniences specifically me cannot be criticized," might as well be the motto for the OF.

Ah thanks for the correction, my weeb senser got triggered and drawn my katana out for no reason~~~

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

It's clear that for some people the forum isn't to read or discuss things, more just to talk at the other person and belligerently repeat their opinions. "Anything that conveniences specifically me cannot be criticized," might as well be the motto for the OF.

Indeed it might as well be. Those demanding Samurai be nerfed are certainly expressing as much with their sentiments. :'3

[Oscura]

Indeed it might as well be. Those demanding Samurai be nerfed are certainly expressing as much with their sentiments. :'3

Low quality bait.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Low quality bait.

No more than tacitly blaming SAM mains for wanting to be relevant. As a MCH main, I sympathize.

[Oscura]

No more than tacitly blaming SAM mains for wanting to be relevant. As a MCH main, I sympathize.

"Wanting to be relevant" is such a paper thin argument.

It implies SAM is perfect where it is and that the balance itself regarding SAM is completely fine. This is not true regarding any class. The meta from 2.0 to 2.5 had some big changes. 3.0 to 3.5 followed this. The meta alone in 3.x was far different than 2.x. To imply that SAM "wants to be relevant," implies that if SAM is shifted anywhere in their DPS or that another class that possesses utility is shifted too far ahead of a previous iteration, SAM would no longer be "useful." Do you know what this means? It means the class is inherently imbalanced. As someone said before, having a "Selfish DPS" in this game makes no logical sense. It's even worse that prior to this, the development team had sworn they had learned their lessons with Monk yet still repeat it with another class. They could've simply made SAM a lot like MNK now, a strong class with strong DPS that has some utility in the form of realistically one skill, but they refrained. The fact of the matter is, even if SAM is untouched, the meta changes constantly within a patch cycle. Right now the argument is if SAM is nerfed it'd be "useless," but what if the other jobs were pushed too far ahead instead? It's a distinct possibility, what with the backlash behind AST after 3.4, or MCH in general dominating the DPS game after a certain point in Heavensward.

The fact of the matter is that almost every post I see in here assumes that the other DPS should be balanced around SAM instead of each other. To me that is just an inherently flawed argument regardless of how you spin your words.

I'm not saying SAM should be nerfed (nor am I saying it's overpowered, as "imbalanced" is not the same thing as overpowered), but if the ultimatum for a class is "touch it and it dies," maybe the dev team should go back to the drawing board and make sure the class isn't so overly dramatic about any sort of change.

As it stands though, I feel people are exaggerating about relevancy. Most of the people here it will never apply to, as most casual groups never rejected or locked Monks out in HW. Unless you specifically are progression raiding or doing speed kills the game is mostly just having fun.