SAM out classing all other DPS

[Lastelli]

Which just means they failed to make a job that has any good party utility, again, but that still doesn't mean it has any "rights" to being overpowered when it comes to dps. If it's a dps class like other dps classes, then it has no more rights to anything than any other dps class. Period.

It's a design choice. You can like it or hate it, but there's nothing wrong with a job that only brings dps as long as the dps is high enough to justify the lack of synergy with the rest of the party.

[Draven]

nothing wrong with a job that only brings dps as long as the dps is high enough

Did I say it shouldn't? No. Read again. If it's a dps class, then it has no more rights to anything than any other dps class. Otherwise, it's unfair to other similarly designed dps classes that have just as much "right" to be the chosen dps for pure dps reasons. Why is this so hard? Is this the shortbus section of the forums or something?

[Ryaz]

Is this the shortbus section of the forums or something?

You're here, so I'd say yes.

No ones saying that Sam should have overall more contribution than other classes, but that they need more personal dps to make up for the lack of synergy. You take away Sam's strong dps, you're left with a class that brings nothing that others can't bring plus more. No one believes Samurai have more right to be chosen than other jobs.

I agree that it's a bad design decision to have one selfish dps and several dps with synergy abilities because it's extrenely hard to balance (at least without people freaking out about numbers). Frankly, I think buffs, debuffs and the like should be left to the healers and tanks so that they can contribute a bit more damage to the raid themselves (and they can be balanced better instead of AST being a clear choice) and then just focus on the dps classes doing dps.

[Draven]

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At what point have I said I don't agree they should have good dps? Not once did I say nerf them here. I said...you know what, fk it. This is ridiculous.

"You're here, so I'd say yes." right back at you.

[Ryaz]

At what point have I said I don't agree they should have good dps? Not once did I say nerf them here. I said...you know what, fk it. This is ridiculous.

"You're here, so I'd say yes." right back at you.

No, you just started arguing semantics with people about dps having "rights" to deal good dps. No one was implying that Samurai should be the best overall DPS class, but that should have the best personal DPS because they bring nothing else.

You bring their DPS down to match other classes and they're suddenly the most useless DPS class because they bring nothing else to the table.

[Janhyua]

No, you just started arguing semantics with people about dps having "rights" to deal good dps. No one was implying that Samurai should be the best overall DPS class, but that should have the best personal DPS because they bring nothing else.

You bring their DPS down to match other classes and they're suddenly the most useless DPS class because they bring nothing else to the table.

some one who understand the logic of utility and no utility

[Draven]

No, you just started arguing semantics with people about dps having "rights" to deal good dps.

Uh huh...except she didn't say good dps, she said

by all rights it should be strongest. Personally I'd like Sam still to be on top

Why are you defending someone who's bias says that SAM should be the most powerful dps of any out there? Probably because you're bias as well with your lvl 70 SAM. You blatantly ignored her saying that as you claimed previously that no one is saying that, and then still refer to her in your latest reply.

It's not semantics, it's what is being said by her and others around here, and it's complete BS. There are no "rights" to being top dps.

[Janhyua]

Uh huh...except she didn't say good dps, she said Why are you defending someone who's bias says that SAM should be the most powerful dps of any out there? Probably because you're bias as well with your lvl 70 SAM. You blatantly ignored her saying that as you claimed previously that no one is saying that, and then still refer to her in your latest reply.

It's not semantics, it's what is being said by her and others around here, and it's complete BS. There are no "rights" to being top dps.

because they offer no utility which is why they have to be the highest dps or they won't even make the cut to be in the raid and by i say highest they have to be higher then 300 to 400 dps then everyone else or they need a buff

[Ryaz]

Uh huh...except she didn't say good dps, she said Why are you defending someone who's bias says that SAM should be the most powerful dps of any out there? Probably because you're bias as well with your lvl 70 SAM. You blatantly ignored her saying that as you claimed previously that no one is saying that, and then still refer to her in your latest reply.

It's not semantics, it's what is being said by her and others around here, and it's complete BS. There are no "rights" to being top dps.

I read strongest DPS as highest number wise, not highest overall, synergy factored in. Obviously, if she meant stronger than all the others even with their synergy, that's wrong.

Edit: Though, looking back, the same person you're quoting clarified in a later post that she meant strongest personal dps. And even said the dps should be equal to MNK + Brotherhood and Ninja + TA, not greater than them.