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  1. #1
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    Galvuu's Avatar
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    Galveira Vorfeed
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    Ragnarok
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    It's niche being SAM is lacking in DPS contribution compared to NIN, and any quarter decent group will be running a NIN thanks to TA. Sam is unwanted currently due to lacking raid utility and dps compared to its cohorts.
    I'm sorry, but this isn't true.
    SAM brings enough damage to warrant a spot on his own.
    The core of almost all groups, in respect to dps is:
    NIN(always there)+RDM(apparently always there too)+BRD+SAM/MNK. On some very rare occasion, you'll see NIN+MNK+SAM+RDM.
    The truth is that there's not a lot that can compete with SAM. The two other casters are both horrid in terms of personal dps and have poor synergy with the physical crowd.
    That leaves DRG and MCH. These two... also have horrid personal dps, and inferior utility to NIN/BRD/RDM. They have more utility than SAM, but it's not nearly enough to close the dps gap.
    That's why the fastest kills are pretty much "grab 2 out of SAM/MNK/BRD and add to NIN+RDM".

    SAM is relatively desirable right now.
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    Thunda_Cat_SMASH's Avatar
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    Sylvana Tenebri
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    Malboro
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    Marauder Lv 79
    Quote Originally Posted by Galvuu View Post
    SAM is relatively desirable right now.
    If you read back on the conversation, you'll see that the 'niche' I was referring to was the possibility that someone would pass up a NIN in favor of SAM, implying either a single melee set up or SAM/MNK, and the implications there of, hence why I was comparing NIN and SAM exclusively rather than all the melee. After all, even the most casual static that doesn't care about the meta are still gonna prefer a NIN for TA.
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    Last edited by Thunda_Cat_SMASH; 07-10-2017 at 12:38 PM.

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    AlphaSonic's Avatar
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    Shaartis Laggal
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    Louisoix
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    Thaumaturge Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    If you read back on the conversation, you'll see that the 'niche' I was referring to was the possibility that someone would pass up a NIN in favor of SAM, implying either a single melee set up or SAM/MNK, and the implications there of, hence why I was comparing NIN and SAM exclusively rather than all the melee. After all, even the most casual static that doesn't care about the meta are still gonna prefer a NIN for TA.
    But shouldn't it be NIN - SAM a combo that should be inneficient compared to NIN - MNK/DRG or SAM - MNK/DRG, since slashing debuff doesn't stack NIN - SAM combo should be inneficient compared to the other ones.

    The fact that NIN - SAM is one of the best combo only means that or NIN is broken, SAM is broken or both are broken.
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