SAM out classing all other DPS

[Enjuden]

Is there any logical reason as why SAM has higher DPS than BLM?

BLM offers 0 utility, SAM offers Slashing debuff.

If we go by that logic, why not. Though keep in mind that it offers no utility compared to other casters while samurai bring none compared to other melee (unless you magically do not have a warrior or ninja in the comp)

[AlphaSonic]

If we go by that logic, why not. Though keep in mind that it offers no utility compared to other casters while samurai bring none compared to other melee (unless you magically do not have a warrior or ninja in the comp)

PLD/DRK and any composition of DPS that doesn't have a NIN and has a SAM. It's not really difficult.

[Dualgunner]

PLD/DRK and any composition of DPS that doesn't have a NIN and has a SAM. It's not really difficult.

In that incredibly niche case...sure.

[AlphaSonic]

In that incredibly niche case...sure.

Niche? Going SAM or NIN Allows you to not need to pick WAR as a tank, so PLD/DRK tank composition it's not niche.

If it wasn't because of the fact that DRG was UP seeing a comp of PLD/DRK/SAM/DRG wouldn't be weird at all.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Niche.

It's niche being SAM is lacking in DPS contribution compared to NIN, and any quarter decent group will be running a NIN thanks to TA. Sam is unwanted currently due to lacking raid utility and dps compared to its cohorts.

[Galvuu]

It's niche being SAM is lacking in DPS contribution compared to NIN, and any quarter decent group will be running a NIN thanks to TA. Sam is unwanted currently due to lacking raid utility and dps compared to its cohorts.

I'm sorry, but this isn't true.
SAM brings enough damage to warrant a spot on his own.
The core of almost all groups, in respect to dps is:
NIN(always there)+RDM(apparently always there too)+BRD+SAM/MNK. On some very rare occasion, you'll see NIN+MNK+SAM+RDM.
The truth is that there's not a lot that can compete with SAM. The two other casters are both horrid in terms of personal dps and have poor synergy with the physical crowd.
That leaves DRG and MCH. These two... also have horrid personal dps, and inferior utility to NIN/BRD/RDM. They have more utility than SAM, but it's not nearly enough to close the dps gap.
That's why the fastest kills are pretty much "grab 2 out of SAM/MNK/BRD and add to NIN+RDM".

SAM is relatively desirable right now.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

SAM is relatively desirable right now.

If you read back on the conversation, you'll see that the 'niche' I was referring to was the possibility that someone would pass up a NIN in favor of SAM, implying either a single melee set up or SAM/MNK, and the implications there of, hence why I was comparing NIN and SAM exclusively rather than all the melee. After all, even the most casual static that doesn't care about the meta are still gonna prefer a NIN for TA.

[Dualgunner]

Niche? Going SAM or NIN Allows you to not need to pick WAR as a tank, so PLD/DRK tank composition it's not niche.

If it wasn't because of the fact that DRG was UP seeing a comp of PLD/DRK/SAM/DRG wouldn't be weird at all.

But you're GOING to have NIN because TA > All. Or, most will. Hence, niche.

And as soon as you bring a NIN, any unique utility SAM offered is gone.