SAM out classing all other DPS

[Nominous]

Of course it was their intent to single it out?
Did I ever imply it wasn't?

The point of this post is lost on me, because it seems you're trying to either make an argument or argue with something that isn't there.

"It doesn't bode well that they single SAM out in this post."

Point is, it doesn't mean anything that they were singled out in the post. But if it did, it certainly wouldn't be foreboding anything that you're implying. They don't think they hit the mark 100%, but this is exactly how they want it to be balanced. The degree of which, who knows. It certainly doesn't seem as if they're worried in the way everyone else is though. They make more comments on how 'playable' a Job is, which sounds more like QoL, and slight potency changes to reflect such things, if anything. Which was also reflected in the translation.

[Oscura]

"It doesn't bode well that they single SAM out in this post."

Point is, it doesn't mean anything that they were singled out in the post. But if it did, it certainly wouldn't be foreboding anything that you're implying, which you explicitly do when you say, "It doesn't bode well."

You can't actually prove it doesn't mean anything, since the post is simply speaking of how they balanced the classes and the logic behind it. Not that "SAM is totally fine and just deal with it guys that's just how things are."

Like I said, we can only wait and see in two weeks when savage drops. Everything else is sheer conjecture or opinion, kind of like my post saying it "doesn't bode well." Am I not entitled to an opinion now?

[Nominous]

You can't actually prove it doesn't mean anything, since the post is simply speaking of how they balanced the classes and the logic behind it. Not that "SAM is totally fine and just deal with it guys that's just how things are."

Like I said, we can only wait and see in two weeks when savage drops. Everything else is sheer conjecture or opinion, kind of like my post saying it "doesn't bode well." Am I not entitled to an opinion now?

It's all fair game.

It doesn't mean anything. Good or bad, for SAM or any melee. They mentioned their intent when balancing the Jobs, and the intent is for SAM to be ahead. Degrees of which, I'll give you. Otherwise, with their criteria for initial balancing, you can tell what the hierarchy will end up being, more or less. MNK and NIN are the only questions, because if they really are factoring those things together, it makes no sense why NIN would be as high as it is right now. The only thing left is straightening it out so that SAM is the highest, who cares to what extent. That MNK follows. That if DRG is going to be better support than NIN, that it is dead last. Or vice versa. Ideally, damage discrepancy from SAM to the lowest melee being equal to or a pinch higher than the expected rDPS contribution.

Other Job balancing doesn't really matter so much for the melee spot, unless they get this whole MCH/BRD thing going again, and/or they buff Disembowel back to 10%.

[Oscura]

It's all fair game.

It doesn't mean anything. Good or bad, for SAM or any melee. They mentioned their intent when balancing the Jobs, and the intent is for SAM to be ahead. Degrees of which, I'll give you. Otherwise, with their criteria for initial balancing, you can tell what the hierarchy will end up being, more or less. MNK and NIN are the only questions, because if they really are factoring those things together, it makes no sense why NIN would be as high as it is right now. The only thing left is straightening it out so that SAM is the highest, who cares to what extent. That MNK follows. That if DRG is going to be better support than NIN, that it is dead last. Or vice versa.

Other Job balancing doesn't really matter so much for the melee spot, unless they get this whole MCH/BRD thing going again, and/or they buff Disembowel back to 10%.

I've never been of mind to think SAM would ever not be the top DPS, even in my statement of it not boding well, so I agree with you. (And yes, even after all my posts and arguing here.)

My statement was not reading too into it, just more mentioning that the sheer possibility of normalization and/or the "degree" at which SAM is ahead may be lessened, therefore causing people to exaggerate its "uselessness" in serious content. Whether it be pulled back or other classes pulled ahead. SAM will always be ahead in damage, that much is certain. Though as you have stated yourself, the community in general tends to exaggerate (or rather, worry) so already there's people running rampant with rumors about this.

As for NIN, I have no idea why it's so high, and no idea why SE's balancing team has consistently ignored it for so long. So I also agree with that as well.

[0811]

People are saying SAM doesn't have utility, they have that slashing debuff. That's more than what us monks had before.

On a side note, monk feels bad to play now. ;w;

[ElasmoFan]

People are saying SAM doesn't have utility, they have that slashing debuff. That's more than what us monks had before.

On a side note, monk feels bad to play now. ;w;

I think the issue with slashing for sam is the same that was with the int debuff previously for monk, where it's not the only job that can do it, thus why it doesn't really get counted.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

People are saying SAM doesn't have utility, they have that slashing debuff. That's more than what us monks had before.

On a side note, monk feels bad to play now. ;w;

It's also a dps loss for the SAM to use any point before roughly 30 seconds, as SAM loses on literal hundreds of points of potency.

You can't call that degree of ham stringing utility.

[Oscura]

People are saying SAM doesn't have utility, they have that slashing debuff. That's more than what us monks had before.

On a side note, monk feels bad to play now. ;w;

Ninja is always in a party and is always going to be using their slashing debuff.

Warrior also has a slashing debuff even if people are saying it's bad now.

There will realistically always be a non-samurai in the party that will give a slashing debuff so honestly I wouldn't call it utility, it just so happens one of its required Sen combos also happens to have a slashing debuff.

[Frowny]

Ninja is always in a party and is always going to be using their slashing debuff.

Warrior also has a slashing debuff even if people are saying it's bad now.

There will realistically always be a non-samurai in the party that will give a slashing debuff so honestly I wouldn't call it utility, it just so happens one of its required Sen combos also happens to have a slashing debuff.

Other classes benefit from it, 2 of which you will always have (tanks). I'd call that utility. It isn't much, but it is a thing.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Other classes benefit from it, 2 of which you will always have (tanks). I'd call that utility. It isn't much, but it is a thing.

See my previous post on why this is factually incorrect.