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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscura View Post
    You can't actually prove it doesn't mean anything, since the post is simply speaking of how they balanced the classes and the logic behind it. Not that "SAM is totally fine and just deal with it guys that's just how things are."

    Like I said, we can only wait and see in two weeks when savage drops. Everything else is sheer conjecture or opinion, kind of like my post saying it "doesn't bode well." Am I not entitled to an opinion now?
    It's all fair game.

    It doesn't mean anything. Good or bad, for SAM or any melee. They mentioned their intent when balancing the Jobs, and the intent is for SAM to be ahead. Degrees of which, I'll give you. Otherwise, with their criteria for initial balancing, you can tell what the hierarchy will end up being, more or less. MNK and NIN are the only questions, because if they really are factoring those things together, it makes no sense why NIN would be as high as it is right now. The only thing left is straightening it out so that SAM is the highest, who cares to what extent. That MNK follows. That if DRG is going to be better support than NIN, that it is dead last. Or vice versa. Ideally, damage discrepancy from SAM to the lowest melee being equal to or a pinch higher than the expected rDPS contribution.

    Other Job balancing doesn't really matter so much for the melee spot, unless they get this whole MCH/BRD thing going again, and/or they buff Disembowel back to 10%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nominous View Post
    It's all fair game.

    It doesn't mean anything. Good or bad, for SAM or any melee. They mentioned their intent when balancing the Jobs, and the intent is for SAM to be ahead. Degrees of which, I'll give you. Otherwise, with their criteria for initial balancing, you can tell what the hierarchy will end up being, more or less. MNK and NIN are the only questions, because if they really are factoring those things together, it makes no sense why NIN would be as high as it is right now. The only thing left is straightening it out so that SAM is the highest, who cares to what extent. That MNK follows. That if DRG is going to be better support than NIN, that it is dead last. Or vice versa.

    Other Job balancing doesn't really matter so much for the melee spot, unless they get this whole MCH/BRD thing going again, and/or they buff Disembowel back to 10%.
    I've never been of mind to think SAM would ever not be the top DPS, even in my statement of it not boding well, so I agree with you. (And yes, even after all my posts and arguing here.)

    My statement was not reading too into it, just more mentioning that the sheer possibility of normalization and/or the "degree" at which SAM is ahead may be lessened, therefore causing people to exaggerate its "uselessness" in serious content. Whether it be pulled back or other classes pulled ahead. SAM will always be ahead in damage, that much is certain. Though as you have stated yourself, the community in general tends to exaggerate (or rather, worry) so already there's people running rampant with rumors about this.

    As for NIN, I have no idea why it's so high, and no idea why SE's balancing team has consistently ignored it for so long. So I also agree with that as well.
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    Last edited by Oscura; 07-04-2017 at 03:40 PM. Reason: typos