Quote Originally Posted by Shiroe View Post
Mnk was not part of the meta during 3.4/3.5-ish for super fast fflogs speed runs, but still got spots in many farm even speed run pfs, .. casters had (and still have) way bigger trouble getting in farm pfs..
Not true at all. MNK was kept out of any form of serious speedrunning in 3.x. PF stuff is honestly irrelevant when as a MNK you are forced to switch to NIN if you want to attempt world progression or speedrunning.

Anyway, since people are talking about fflogs and stuff, I really don't get why static speed rankings are being conveniently ignored. Those are the interesting numbers, not balances/buffs inflated individual parses. And the top statics' parses clearly show that sam is not so far ahead of other jobs. Also, the fact that there's not a single double sam party in the first top 10 parties should tell a lot. Sure it's a little too early to draw conclusions, but if SAM really was so overpowered we would see 4-sam parties everywhere and this is not the case. To be honest, judging from the numbers, the only two jobs that need some love are DRG and MCH. I'd even argue that the two best jobs right now are RDM and NIN because of embolden+insane mobility+very high personal dps and trick attack respectively.