SAM out classing all other DPS

[Oscura]

I've played a monk throughout Heavensward. Nothing really has changed in the transition to Stormblood, it's even EASIER to play than Samurai is, GL is not hard to upkeep, oGCDs aren't hard to use, tracking CDs aren't hard at all (ALL JOBS DO THIS).

Nice selective reading.

I never said greased lightning was hard to upkeep, or oGCDs were hard to use, or that tracking CDs were hard. I'm aware all jobs do this. That was the point of my post. It was sarcasm, since the person I was replying to was implying that Samurai is hard because it has to track CDs, mechanics, and keep up with Kenki and Sen. I was stating that SAM is not alone in having to "manage" things, and more importantly their problems are small.

[Shiroe]

There are YT videos of blm and smr doing 4600+ dps and a rdm doing 4500+ so are we gonna need them too or just sam

But in real /most fights, the Sam will hog all the buffs. Just look at FFLOGS.

FFXIV used to be proud, how it was well balanced and FFLOGS was a indicator for that, having so many different jobs mixed out thru the top 10, 20, 30 etc. Unlike other Mmo's, where one job would shine about the others through out the top 50 -100; making over 75% of the dps players want to play it.

this is not a good idea to make any dps class so overpowered. Mnk was never like that. It was the strongest, but not by such a large dps gap and it got punished harder too during some mechanics or mistakes.

Seems as if only Sam main can not see the problem here.

[Ephier]

Until balance is removed from the game FFlogs parses will remain padded. AST artificially inflates DPS way too much. I like doing bigger numbers, but in a competitive sense like FFlogs, it ruins it. Look at how the ranks shift when you take balance out. Its crazy.

[Limani]

It was not my point to say that Samurai is much more difficult than the other dds, but to say that despite higher DPS it is absolutely easy to play is not quite right. I would like to say that the Samurai is easier to handle than a few other jobs, but to be able to play it on a really strong level as it has been mentioned here often, you have to be very hard and that is then far from "easy"

[Oscura]

Until balance is removed from the game FFlogs parses will remain padded. AST artificially inflates DPS way too much. I like doing bigger numbers, but in a competitive sense like FFlogs, it ruins it. Look at how the ranks shift when you take balance out. Its crazy.

They've started separating balance parses vs flat numbers for this very reason now. There is actual DPS vs Balance DPS now.

[Barghest1210]

yeeeeah I call bullshit, you cant even compare samurai to the kinda shit I gotta go through as a mnk main. Tell me when do you have to sacrifice DPs in order to prime or use your hardest hitting moves? When can circumstance cause you to lose Sen or Kenkei whether because of poor luck with telegraphs or and ill timed boss jump? And dont get me wrong I love my class, useless moves and all I play for the gameplay not because Im broken. With that love comes a certain loyalty to the brand which is what makes the whole situation bother me when I get to watch a class far exceed my DPS with an utter lack of the same kinda effort I must put into mine. Its like the rest of us are fighting with crossbows and sam has an assault rifle with a grenade launcher attachment "But its hard to decide when I should fire the grenade"

[TheVideoGameProfessor]

I need to reinforce the idea that just because a job CAN put out top parses does not mean it WILL put out top parses. Every player is different and their ability to perform will grant different numbers. If you're the best at a class that isn't FotM, you stand to parse better than a class that is played at a lower skill level.

If we assume that there is a difference between what is realistic and what is optimal, arguing over what is optimal, then, is arguing over what is not realistic.

Unless you can aggregate a large number of parses in multiple different encounters, crying that something is broken and needs a nerf is an argument from ignorance. Where is the data? You saw a youtube video?

I put out pretty good DPS, but I also am beaten out. Am I better than other players? Is my class inherently more powerful? All I know is the boss goes down, everyone gets to roll for loot, and the group progresses. We have fun.

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[Ryaz]

But in real /most fights, the Sam will hog all the buffs. Just look at FFLOGS.

FFXIV used to be proud, how it was well balanced and FFLOGS was a indicator for that, having so many different jobs mixed out thru the top 10, 20, 30 etc. Unlike other Mmo's, where one job would shine about the others through out the top 50 -100; making over 75% of the dps players want to play it.

this is not a good idea to make any dps class so overpowered. Mnk was never like that. It was the strongest, but not by such a large dps gap and it got punished harder too during some mechanics or mistakes.

Seems as if only Sam main can not see the problem here.

MNK was never like that and most people here seem to agree that no one wanted MNKs in their party for that very reason.

SE needs to do something to balance Samurai without turning them into HW MNK...

[Shiroe]

Mnk was not part of the meta during 3.4/3.5-ish for super fast fflogs speed runs, but still got spots in many farm even speed run pfs, .. casters had (and still have) way bigger trouble getting in farm pfs..

Sam can still remain top dps, just not by such a large margin... and don't forget, Sam still has the slashing Buff, so it will still be merit in farm pfs.

[Lastelli]

Mnk was not part of the meta during 3.4/3.5-ish for super fast fflogs speed runs, but still got spots in many farm even speed run pfs, .. casters had (and still have) way bigger trouble getting in farm pfs..

Not true at all. MNK was kept out of any form of serious speedrunning in 3.x. PF stuff is honestly irrelevant when as a MNK you are forced to switch to NIN if you want to attempt world progression or speedrunning.

Anyway, since people are talking about fflogs and stuff, I really don't get why static speed rankings are being conveniently ignored. Those are the interesting numbers, not balances/buffs inflated individual parses. And the top statics' parses clearly show that sam is not so far ahead of other jobs. Also, the fact that there's not a single double sam party in the first top 10 parties should tell a lot. Sure it's a little too early to draw conclusions, but if SAM really was so overpowered we would see 4-sam parties everywhere and this is not the case. To be honest, judging from the numbers, the only two jobs that need some love are DRG and MCH. I'd even argue that the two best jobs right now are RDM and NIN because of embolden+insane mobility+very high personal dps and trick attack respectively.