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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyce View Post
    Trick Attack averages +1.67% group DPS.
    On Susano, SAM is ~350 DPS higher than NIN -both without balance- (if you include Balance, the gap jumps from 350 DPS to 450. But I won't talk about that as the parses without Balance already prove my point).
    For Trick Attack to fill this gap, you need 21k group DPS. This is, of course, assuming that the NIN doesn't miss any Trick Attack and assuming absolutly no downtime... Which, in reality, makes Trick Attack worse than what I said.

    In short, for NIN to be at least at the level of SAM, you need a group that can do 21k DPS. It means that your whole group has to work quite hard to make up for the fact that they bring a NIN instead of a SAM which could've been fine by himself alone.

    Susano needs 14k group DPS to be clearable. As of today, quite a lot of PF groups still hit enrage. So this 21k group DPS is far from being the norm.

    I check my numbers. Do you?
    Data for the boss dps (Susano & Lakshmi) at the 80 percentile: https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/15...sdps&class=Any

    Let denote SAM dps in term of percentage of raid dps as S.

    On average, NIN does 0.925S, and Trick Attack accounts for 0.0167 (=0.1*10/60) of the raid dps. For Trick Attack dps increase to be no less than the dps difference between NIN and SAM, S needs to be no more than 0.2227 (=0.0167/(1-0.925)) of the raid dps.

    Consider a standard composition in which SAM does the highest percentage of raid dps, i.e. other members have the lowest personal dps in their categories: DRK/WAR/SAM/NIN//MCH/SMN/AST/WHM.

    At the 80 percentile, DRK does 0.59S; WAR 0.627S, SAM 1S, NIN 0.925S, SMN 0.867S, AST 0.254S, and WHM 0.326S.

    Since the sum of all 8 members damage is 100%, S is 0.2170 (=1/(0.59+0.627+1+0.925+0.867+0.254+0.326)), which is less than the threshold 0.2227.

    So at the 80 percentile, Trick Attack dps increase is always bigger than the dps difference between SAM and NIN.

    Data for the boss dps (Susano & Lakshmi) at the 90 percentile: https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/15...sdps&class=Any

    Doing the same calculations for the 90 percentile with the same aforementioned standard composition:
    - S needs to be no more than 0.2012 (=0.0167/(1-0.917)).
    - S is 0.1798 (=1/(0.62+0.651+1+0.917+0.851+0.866+0.289+0.369))

    So at the 90 percentile in which other members do more dps in term of percentage of raid dps, Trick Attack dps increase further outscales the dps difference between SAM and NIN.

    Conclusion: NIN raid dps contribution is higher than SAM raid dps contribution at 80 and 90 percentiles. The same calculations can be done for other percentiles.
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    Last edited by HolyTurtle; 07-02-2017 at 10:48 AM.