SAM out classing all other DPS

[HoLoFoNo]

The problem is, even with utility, jobs like Monk can't keep up at all with the extra damage a SAM brings.
Monk does less than a ninja now, and on top of that their utility is severely limiting and RNG based. I could see if the difference is numbers was made up in utility, but it's not.

I'm not sure what you have seen, but I'm pretty sure MNK does around the same as ninja without BH (RNG dependent because lolmnk) and from the SSS dummy HP this was the intention. With the 2-3 extra forbidden chakras (again RNG dependent) every 90 seconds MNK is actually stronger than NIN at least on paper.

[EbonySeraphim]

I'm not sure what you have seen, but I'm pretty sure MNK does around the same as ninja without BH (RNG dependent because lolmnk) and from the SSS dummy HP this was the intention. With the 2-3 extra forbidden chakras (again RNG dependent) every 90 seconds MNK is actually stronger than NIN at least on paper.

Doesn't the question then become: is Brotherhood's raid DPS advantage stronger than Trick Attack? Even if you prayed to and paid off RNGesus, that answer is no. Forbidden Chakra is gated behind a 5 second cooldown on a 15 second buff to feed you Chakra's so you at most get 230 * 3~4 => 690~920 potency on a single target from it every 90 seconds. In case folks are wondering, the fourth FC would be used outside of the buff from the ones gained during it?

That was a bit more of a mind exercise, I don't think Trick Attack or Ninja need be nerfed, but there should at least be parity.

[MiruWest]

Doesn't the question then become: is Brotherhood's raid DPS advantage stronger than Trick Attack? Even if you prayed to and paid off RNGesus, that answer is no. Forbidden Chakra is gated behind a 5 second cooldown on a 15 second buff to feed you Chakra's so you at most get 230 * 3~4 => 690~920 potency on a single target from it every 90 seconds. In case folks are wondering, the fourth FC would be used outside of the buff from the ones gained during it?

That was a bit more of a mind exercise, I don't think Trick Attack or Ninja need be nerfed, but there should at least be parity.

MNK does do more damage than NIN. MNK is sitting around 4.4k to 4.5k potential while NIN is around 4.1k to 4.2k barely. Why are people making it seem MNK is so bad? Oh wait because people will be sheep....

[EbonySeraphim]

MNK does do more damage than NIN. MNK is sitting around 4.4k to 4.5k potential while NIN is around 4.1k to 4.2k barely. Why are people making it seem MNK is so bad? Oh wait because people will be sheep....

Did you just pull a Monk versus Ninja comparison when between those two jobs Ninja has usually always been the preferred raid member despite it being known that MNK has a higher personal DPS? We know where that comparison goes and the issue now is not what was it was yesterday! That means something *else* changed and it wasn't between Ninja and Monk. If you don't get that, then perhaps you need to take leave of this thread!