SAM out classing all other DPS

[Kaiden019]

Why would they nerf SAM? It's doing exactly what the job was meant to do. Bring lots of damage. Their DPS isn't even that much higher than the other top DPS jobs. If you bring their damage down to where it is comparable to other classes, it loses all purpose as a job.

[Crewman]

^ Agreed, balancing SAM would likely require some skill changes because they won't have anything to offer otherwise. I've said it numerous times but I think the argument is the logic SE used for the job was rather bad. The biggest point being if SAM puts out the most DPS, then that's all people will play for savage. I'd call it debatable because SAM has to constantly DPS and not die to keep that higher DPS number, but a lot of people do not consider anything beyond the pure numbers.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Why would they nerf SAM? It's doing exactly what the job was meant to do. Bring lots of damage. Their DPS isn't even that much higher than the other top DPS jobs. If you bring their damage down to where it is comparable to other classes, it loses all purpose as a job.

The problem is, even with utility, jobs like Monk can't keep up at all with the extra damage a SAM brings.
Monk does less than a ninja now, and on top of that their utility is severely limiting and RNG based. I could see if the difference is numbers was made up in utility, but it's not.

[Shiroe]

Why would they nerf SAM? It's doing exactly what the job was meant to do. Bring lots of damage. Their DPS isn't even that much higher than the other top DPS jobs. If you bring their damage down to where it is comparable to other classes, it loses all purpose as a job.

Isn't even that much higher? With or without all the buffs it's getting? It's 600-500 higher than the 2nd placed, unless Blm. And 1000-1200 more than the low Dps.

Mnk was not that much higher, by 100-150 max more in 3.x.

[Deithwen]

The problem is, even with utility, jobs like Monk can't keep up at all with the extra damage a SAM brings.
Monk does less than a ninja now, and on top of that their utility is severely limiting and RNG based. I could see if the difference is numbers was made up in utility, but it's not.

Then the issue is monk's low dps, not sam's dps.

[Deithwen]

The problem is, even with utility, jobs like Monk can't keep up at all with the extra damage a SAM brings.
Monk does less than a ninja now, and on top of that their utility is severely limiting and RNG based. I could see if the difference is numbers was made up in utility, but it's not.

If you want to make comparisons, you need to compare percentages. A dragoon can pull 4100 dps vs samurai at 4600, both having good crits on those. that's a 500 dps difference, which means sam is 12% above which is not that high. The gap closes with ninja and monk and is even closer with a blm.

If you put things this way, you realize that's Sam's numbers aren't that high, and any nerf would kill it's whole purpose in a raiding comp.

[Kaiden019]

Isn't even that much higher? With or without all the buffs it's getting? It's 600-500 higher than the 2nd placed, unless Blm. And 1000-1200 more than the low Dps.

Mnk was not that much higher, by 100-150 max more in 3.x.

Most of their damage comes for sustain so they will suffer harder than other jobs in fights that have phases where you can't damage the boss.

[Kaiden019]

The problem is, even with utility, jobs like Monk can't keep up at all with the extra damage a SAM brings.
Monk does less than a ninja now, and on top of that their utility is severely limiting and RNG based. I could see if the difference is numbers was made up in utility, but it's not.

That's the point. no job should be doing as much damage as SAM. If a job can do equal damage as SAM then you have absolutely no reason to bring a SAM in your party.

[Leonus]

Isn't even that much higher? With or without all the buffs it's getting? It's 600-500 higher than the 2nd placed, unless Blm. And 1000-1200 more than the low Dps.

Mnk was not that much higher, by 100-150 max more in 3.x.

Mnk was excluded because it was only 100 - 150 dps more than Drg. That dos difference was eclipsed by the utility drg/Nin brought to the raid.
People use this comparison when it didn't work for mnk and want to put Sam in the same predicament.

Sam/Blm are you physical/magical heavy hitters. If they need Sams, then they better need Blms to compensate. I don't think either class needs to be nerfed.

[Kacho_Nacho]

Off topic but related: This thread is an excellent argument why parsers would be bad for this game. Even when they are disallowed, people are throwing numbers around, will little context, in order to get a perceived overpowered job nerfed. Guys, don't you think Square Enix has a lot more data than we could ever compile about the performance of samurai versus the other damage dealers? Let them tweak the numbers. Our part in this is to let them know we believe there is too big a gap between the damage dealing jobs.