SAM out classing all other DPS

[SkyCake]

SAM is the best DPS class, it was also advertised as such.

Apologies to the OP and others actively participating in this thread since I have no desire to. BUT! I am curious if this has a source? I don't have any doubt in you or anything, I just think this would be pretty neat! But, I couldn't find a source when I tried to Google it. My friend is hyped for Samurai when he gets back from vacation. I think this would make him happy to know!

[Psycofang]

So he admitted to trolling right as i was about to post. Welp glad we know we dont have to listen to him at all ever.

[Selova]

1. I know how to debate, the way you brought your argument to the table had hostility in it, so you need to learn what a civil debate is. 2. When you and others started questioning my skill as a player, that is called an attack, learn the difference. 3. Your argument is not justified cause there is another class similar to it (mnk) that did not have the ridiculous damage output that you claim sam needs. 4. Pro tip, Admitting that i purposely wanted to make you angry because you have no reasonable argument does not de-legitimize my point, it proves it by how angry you got to defend the class rather than call out its faults. 5. I do accept the fact you dont agree and to further prove that you are attacking me, you have sought fit to insult my intelligence by claiming your side is the reasonable side, that i cant listen, and that i cant have a civil debate. I wish for you to have a good day and in the future refrain from attacking people because they see differently than you.

First off, no one in this thread called into question your skill as a player. Once again, you made the claim that samurai is a easy class while at the same time proving you don't understand how the job performs and calling for nerfs because the class is doing what it is designed to do. Multiple posters have explained the design intent behind samurai and how the job isn't as easy as you are claiming. Once again no one is attacking you, this is called a debate. You state your opinion on something and people disagree with you, that's how this works. I've spent more time that i'd like to admit debating this topic, It's clear that after admitting that all you were doing was trying to provoke a emotional response from people (which you failed at) and how you still don't understand the samurai job despite multiple people explaining it to you that I and many others are wasting our time. Your opinion on the state of samurai is your own, in the future when people debate your opinions, try to at least stay on topic instead of pulling the "personal attack" card. I'd also highly recommend you at least play jobs at max level before passing around information about them. With that I'll see myself out, good luck in your future endeavors and have fun in Stormblood.

[Nezia]

Welp, if they don't deal this amount of damage they are just gonna become the new HW monk.

[Roda]

My question is, didn't they say this kind of class design was a problem in one of their live letters / fanfests?
Like they directly or indirectly called out HW's monk's lack of group utility as a design they wanted to fix with SB?

I just want to know why they'd turn around and do it again with samurai.

[Kuwagami]

SAM is the best DPS class, it was also advertised as such. They wont (and cant) go back on that now. Theoretically, other classes were supposed to bring support abilities to make up for their inferiority in comparison to SAM, but judging from what we can test and see right now, at least at item lvl 314 this is not the case.

You mean the SSS dummy parsers people have done? They clearly show SAM isn't that higher than the other jobs, and even more so since said other jobs are losing all their utility in SSS.

so you basically require a PLD tank who has better aggro (and is the best tank anyway) right now.

No tank has an aggro problem, unless you're in dungeons and both dps ST a different mob in a pack, or you're in raid trying to optimize dps while your co-tank doesn't know how to shirk.

[Ootarion]

SAM is the best DPS class, it was also advertised as such. They wont (and cant) go back on that now.

We should stop to consider that while SAM and RDM both have impressive amounts of damage, they have little to no crowd controlling, RDM at best has Tether as well as Break (a slow) and some AoE to deal with mulitple mobs but no means of survival beyond potions until lvl 54 when they get Vercure (dont get me started on the Drain spell, it SUCKS). SAM has AoE but unlike RDM has NO CC abilities at all as well as NO means of healing beyond potions aside from Bloodbath, Second Wind (500 potency heal) and Merciful Eyes (200 potency heal and requires being hit within the 3 second window of Third Eye). SAM has a darn good REASON to be as powerful as it is, all that power came at the cost of almost no means of keeping the enemy CCed or keeping themselves healed and in case no one has noticed they only have one Defensive ability, called Third Eye, which only lasts for 3 seconds and only reduces the damage of the next attack done to the SAM by 5%, oh they have a move that lets them leap back but that is by no means a crowd controller and requires Kenki.

So it isnt because of how the class was advertised (which I doubt they would advertise it as the best DPS) but more so because the class is pretty much geared towards being highly aggressive with almost no means of self preservation, you gotta give them something in place of not being all that good at self preservation, which in this case is a great offense being a great defense.

[FinnReid]

Everyone already knew this, this isn't new information. They were advertised and designed to do massive amounts of damage with high potency finishers because they bring 0 utility to a group or raid. They are also far and away from being easy to play optimally, if you want the highest damage a samurai is capable of producing you really have to work for it. No one that kept up with the news of the new jobs is surprised they are on top.

Monk's pitiful new 5% damage buff doesn't justify the gap between it and SAM. We're not talking a small gap either, cause the initial testing shows it being about 400 DPS higher than Monk at i314. SAM is way overtuned.

[Maero]

Sam was advertised as a high damage job, not the best job.
I mean i very much knew they would make it OP over some existing jobs because the amount of hype.(It is fun though, don't get me wrong)
While many fights again do not favour blm at all, i would tend to say in single target blm would at very least close (Maybe even higher dmg). Sam can chain in more attacks faster then blm can cast, not taking triple casting into consideration mind you.

Also some were early to dismiss Red mage aoe (it's not that bad) and it's single target damage is really good.
Simply put, it is still far too early to make assumptions when not much real testing has been done. things can be changed during Sb also.

[Ootarion]

@Maero. I dont think RDM or SAM need to be changed, as stated by Selova, SAM brings zero utility to the party and has virtually NO self preservation capability (IE AoE CC abilities such as Tether or Tri-Bind) has no stuns or sleeps and RDM is almost as bad in that regard in that it's only good CC is Tether but unlike SAM, it has Vercure at lvl 54 which gives RDM way better staying power when solo against more then one enemy. A SAMs best bet in dealing with multiple enemies is killing them all as fast as possible by way of a great offense being the best defense.

As Ive said, SAM has a reason to have such high damage, it needs it.