SAM out classing all other DPS

[Atmora]

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I can hit literally every positional in that unless I fuck up my rotation, that's a terrible example. As for V2 you miss like what, 2 positional when he does that? Unless like you're just standing in front of the boss until the mechanic executes but that just means you're bad. Instead of calling me out all you've done is show me you think you can't stand in an orange puddle then move out of it before the aoe hits. As for sudden spinning, you can memorize every scripted spin in this game and if it's unscripted that's a tank problem and tanks playing badly shouldn't be evaluated for how good a job is in raid.

[HoLoFoNo]

This thread was pointless from the get go, but everyone wants to be the very best (dps) that no one ever was.

That being said, just because world first switched to MNK for the final tier doesn't all of a sudden make SAM useless. SAM is less defensive yes but Y'all need to stop looking at what the 1% are doing so much, it's unhealthy. SAM still provides like 100 more rDPS on average than MNK but just because it wasn't on the first kill doesn't make it any less powerful, especially in the hands of an unskilled player (which is the design philosophy of the devs this expansion, and as someone who got samurai as my last melee at 70, it is definitely true)

[Kabooa]

This thread was pointless from the get go, but everyone wants to be the very best (dps) that no one ever was.

That being said, just because world first switched to MNK for the final tier doesn't all of a sudden make SAM useless. SAM is less defensive yes but Y'all need to stop looking at what the 1% are doing so much, it's unhealthy. SAM still provides like 100 more rDPS on average than MNK but just because it wasn't on the first kill doesn't make it any less powerful, especially in the hands of an unskilled player (which is the design philosophy of the devs this expansion, and as someone who got samurai as my last melee at 70, it is definitely true)

The thing is, what happens at the top bleeds down into the bottom.

The fact that a multitude of the "Obsolete" jobs were not only included but used in day 1 clears is a giant middlefinger to everyone who's all "I like this job but the number just isn't there"

[Darian]

Lol. How are you not hitting positional on O2 savage? Just beat it on SAM with no problems getting into position when needed. It sounds like your waiting way too long to move. Also don't forget Sam DOES have positional too and kenki lost is a lot of dps lost for SAM. SAM is dealing with the same stuff every other melee is. No one is special here.

[Svabodnik]

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What? Did you actually read what I wrote? a) OV2, specifically 100GS, was an example of a mechanic that forces people to move to a face of a boss, and not an example of a fight where executing positionals is difficult. b) SAM does have positionals on Gekko and Kasha, which compose approx. one in four of their GCDs (outside of Midare Setsugekka). Not sure why everyone is so caught up on the positionals issue, but I'll take that as credit that my other three points are sound.

[Darian]

ALL melee lose dps on 100GS. Again monk is not special and just like the other dps. If your unable to hit most of your positional on that super scripted fight then it sounds like you don't know the fight and need to study it more. World 1st was able to clear the hardest fight O4s with a monk and not a SAM. So I'm having a hard time understanding what's wrong with MNK. Or how you can say MNK needs buffs and SAM needs nerfs.

[Svabodnik]

If your unable to hit most of your positional on that super scripted fight then it sounds like you don't know the fight and need to study it more.

Read:

(...)and not an example of a fight where executing positionals is difficult(...)

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Or how you can say MNK needs buffs and SAM needs nerfs.

Read:

(...)This isn't to say that I'm on the "nerf SAM!" bandwagon. Personally, if I've got gripes about MNK it's due to its large number of near-useless and/or contradictory abilities (...), how downright clunky RoF makes the rotation, and how the damage is heavily dependent on both RNG and party composition (...). Of course, these are all issues completely separate from the existence of SAM(...)

(...)Not that I'm holding it against SAM, mind you.

If there is an issue with misunderstanding it, let me spell it out more clearly: I am not saying "nerf SAM" or "buff MNK".

[KingFrost]

A fight where a Monk can hit every positional and not lose GL isn't a fight, it's a transendence into Rhalgar himself, and using whatever "boss" before you as a puching bag for your demo of the true Fist of the Destroyer.

Seriously tho, all this fuss over about 100 DPS? Being hardcore sounds tough. To me that's just a few more seconds of enjoying the Boss's theme. Because that's essentially what it comes down to.

Btw, that 100, is that an average parse over Susanoo and Lakshmi? If, it'll be interesting to see how the Monk stacks up in Omega, considering your less ****ed than usual. Gg to BLM tho.

[Shiroe]

Yeah. Once ppl saw world 1st clear had a monk and not a single sam the whole thread got pointless very quickly.

But like said, when do you need mnk over Sam? mostly when under- geared for 1st clears,.., not for speed farming / kills / fflogs..., where most of the time will be spent after that 1st clear

[Leonus]

But like said, when do you need mnk over Sam? mostly when under- geared for 1st clears,.., not for speed farming / kills / fflogs..., where most of the time will be spent after that 1st clear

Yea, but 100 dps difference between mnk/Sam will not be enough to sway a group from picking up a mnk if they are truly looking to Farm.

You come off as believing mnk and other jobs should be equal to Sam in farming/fflogs recording parties. Mnk and other jobs will get the kills just fine (mostly). We now do know for a FACT that Sam is not the end-all-be-all for everything.