SAM out classing all other DPS

[Leonus]

It's also important to remember interim damage. Without any buffs, a Monk is hitting as if they hadBrink of Death with all of their buffs. Classically a Monk needs time to get that top DPS spot. A Sam is hitting hard a fair bit earlier in it's rotation than a Monk.

This is true, we can also see that Sam hits for a "static amount" for the most part throughout the fight and doesn't have damage boosting cooldowns except for kaiten which is used on 2 moves. Mnk gets a really good buff from RoF, GL and debuffs which has mnk hitting hard pretty fast.

They're different, that's all.

[OgruMogru]

Embolden is a bit like RDM giving Raging Strikes back to every DPS class except for Summoner and Blms. This really feels like an intentional dick move to ensure RDM can bribe their way into taking priority casting spot. Because regardless of how good the RDM is, people are only gonna want you for that embolden. I wouldn't be saying this if it affected BLMs and SMNs too because I don't think it's a bad ability but the way it's been implemented speaks volumes.

[MiruWest]

How many people here even play SAM at the optimal lvl? Lot of folks here saying it's so easy, which I think their ease is next to most melee, yet where are your high parsing logs to back up anything you arguing?

Unless you parsing at least purple on whatever class your arguing for, your comments are invalid because I can assume you're a mediocre player complaining about things you don't understand fully.

[KingFrost]

How many people here even play SAM at the optimal lvl? Lot of folks here saying it's so easy, which I think their ease is next to most melee, yet where are your high parsing logs to back up anything you arguing?

Unless you parsing at least purple on whatever class your arguing for, your comments are invalid because I can assume you're a mediocre player complaining about things you don't understand fully.

Take it easy there, tiger. No need berate players based on parse and invalidate their voice in a discussion with said 3rd party tools. I'm fairly certain that's frowned upon, and possibly expressly forbidden, by SE.

[MiruWest]

Take it easy there, tiger. No need berate players based on parse and invalidate their voice in a discussion with said 3rd party tools. I'm fairly certain that's frowned upon, and possibly expressly forbidden, by SE.

I'm not mad at anything. Yes people can have opinions but when people start to push their opinion as FACT on how things should be handled, that's where the problem is.

Many folks have been using FFLogs to toss numbers around this entire thread but we can't use them as a means to validate themselves?

[Kaiden019]

I'm not mad at anything. Yes people can have opinions but when people start to push their opinion as FACT on how things should be handled, that's where the problem is.

Many folks have been using FFLogs to toss numbers around this entire thread but we can't use them as a means to validate themselves?

There is nothing wrong with using FFLogs on the forums. Parsers are only forbidden to be used as means of harassment in game.

[Black_Starr]

Take it easy there, tiger. No need berate players based on parse and invalidate their voice in a discussion with said 3rd party tools. I'm fairly certain that's frowned upon, and possibly expressly forbidden, by SE.

She has a very good point though

[Shiroe]

Side note: SE should give all players a chance to parse, even if only for personal dps. Or either give it to all or not allow at all.

But bettet give personal dps parsers away on the mog station, when you buy a mount or minion, but with better Hud and stability than ACT. So console players and players on over worked PC's can use them too. Maybe even get more to want to use the more stable and prettier "personal" (only shows your dps) parser from the mog station, over the ACT, which could be used less and less.. or only for special occasions.

But atm SE is just running from the problem than actually adressing it. SSS is not really a solution.., it's as useful as dummies are compared to real fights.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Oath, blood, Lily, Beast, Ninki, Kenki, Ammo, Aetherflow, Chakra, Fairy, B/W Mana and HEAT all don't degrade if they aren't used, and stay wherever they were indefinitely when you aren't hitting stuff. I remember wandering around for a while with 95 Heat outside of my FC for a few hours because I was lazy and it never dipped. The only point gauges empty if you change zones.

There's a huge difference between keeping Chakra, and keeping Greased Lightning.
Or keeping Ninki, and losing Huton (though admittedly you can easily pop this back on).


The point I was trying to make is, other melee are severely punished during downtime, while SAMs Sen AND Kenki are untouched. Am I supposed to believe a lack of utility allows jobs to greatly surpass others in the same role?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

There's a huge difference between keeping Chakra, and keeping Greased Lightning.
Or keeping Ninki, and losing Huton (though admittedly you can easily pop this back on).

At worst, if you lose GL, you pop Perfect and you're back in nearly full form in 3 GCD's, or thanks to form shift you go through a quickly ramping 7 GCD window to get back to Max power.

Or time Earth Riddle and probably won't lose GL3 in the first place.

Ninja? Precast Huton when it hits around 15 seconds and your good to go. Or use Huton asap after the boss jumps and sit down and sip some tea, because no break is so long you'll lose that 70 second buff.

When it comes to ramping, SAM has none of the above options. Meikyo is a huuuuuge dps loss to use on Shifu+Jinpu, and when buffs fall off when Sen are active, you still need to make a judgement call based on what your Kinky looks like post Meditation, how many sen are up, how quickly you can dump excess Kinky so you don't overfill, etc.