SAM out classing all other DPS

[Ootarion]

Again I want to hear everyone's view on the subject not these, "you haven't played it so your word is meaningless" crap.

Simply put, people have been giving you their views, and further more, if someone asks you if you've played the class all the way to max level and did end game content, it is a valid question, and if you keep avoiding the question by not answering, you are only hurting your own position cause it makes you sound like you have no answer cause you've not played the class long enough, ergo it will sound like you have no clue what you are talking about and are just upset because something out damages something you like. If this is the case then you NEED to get over it, throughout all MMO history there have been some classes that just have way more damage then others, but they sacrifice alot just for that.

Samurai is clearly a class that follows the ideaology of High Risk High Gain because they do such high amounts of damage but this comes at the price of them having practically NO self sufficiency. If they nerf Samurai's damage then they will have to give them better self sufficiency to compensate, which might mean adding new abilities, and this is clearly not what they want for the class, so let it go.

[Selova]

I have done research and every rotation that i have seen out there, sam rotation is no more complicated that a war rotation. But you seem to be missing the point, sam is to over powered. It needs to be nurfted.

The only one missing the point is you. It's been explained twice now, that their high damage is to make up for its lack of utility. The fact that your drawing a comparison to warrior shows that you have no idea how the job plays, it's rotation has 0 similaries to warrior. If all you're going to do is base your claims about SAM on conjecture don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

[BelraugFire]

See now you are assuming my what my point is, im comparing sam damage to drg or mnk. Mnk has no utility either and had high damage but that didnt keep other classes from keeping up with it. So your argument is flawed there. I can compare Sam rotation to a War because it literally takes 3 rotations on a sam to get your finisher, it takes a war 8 rotations. Guess what that makes it easy. I dont take you serious. you need to calm down and listen, At the very least all other classes should get a potency buff so that they are viable compared to a sam.

[magnanimousCynic]

At the very least all other classes should get a potency buff so that they are viable compared to a sam.

Looks like someone doesn't understand balance between DPS and Utility. I'm not going to list Role Actions since they're not exclusive to any one Job.

MNK has Mantra for 20% increased healing and Brotherhood for increased physical damage.

DRG has Piercing resist down, which benefits DRG/BRD/MCH, Battle Litany for group crit rate, and Dragon Sight for minor DPS buff for DRG+another person.

NIN has 10% increased damage on a target every 60 seconds along with party-targeted aggro management tools.

SAM has ZERO group utility that isn't provided by another Job. None. Nothing. That's because their high damage IS the utility! They make up for their Utility deficit by being a DPS powerhouse at the expense of not increasing raid DPS.

If you're not convinced I'll be glad to list the utilities BRD/MCH/SMN/RDM have.

I won't bother touching your comment about SAM being as easy as WAR. It's Apples and Oranges when it comes to comparing DPS and Tank rotations. Just because you read up on rotations and saw them doesn't make them easy to execute right away.

[BelraugFire]

They have a slashing debuff which helps nin, drk, pld, and war.

[magnanimousCynic]

They have a slashing debuff which helps nin.

A slashing debuff that NIN naturally applies in the 4.0 rotation with 0 DPS loss. Remember, I said EXCLUSIVE to SAM. WAR/NIN/SAM all apply slashing resist down in their main rotations.

Try again.

[Selova]

See now you are assuming my what my point is, im comparing sam damage to drg or mnk. Mnk has no utility either and had high damage but that didnt keep other classes from keeping up with it. So your argument is flawed there. I can compare Sam rotation to a War because it literally takes 3 rotations on a sam to get your finisher, it takes a war 8 rotations. Guess what that makes it easy. I dont take you serious. you need to calm down and listen, At the very least all other classes should get a potency buff so that they are viable compared to a sam.

Thanks for once again, proving my point that you have no idea how samurai plays. Samurai's rotation is a lot more in-depth than doing your 3 rotations and using your finisher. Kenki management? Making sure you have enough to kaiten every Midare and Higanbana?Making sure you're not overlapping sens by doing iajutsus's mid-combo? Optimal useage of Meikyo Shisui and Hagakure? Knowing when and when not to use Shinten and making sure you have kenki for Guren when it comes off cooldown? Sure buddy, "plays just like a warrior". If you are going to continue making claims about "what you've seen" which is nothing but conjecture, then don't be surprised when people who actually have the experience and knowledge of how the job functions call you out for bad information.

[BelraugFire]

So what you mean to say is that the sam rotation is just as long as wars, gotcha. The fact you keep insisting that no one else as has to worry about when to pop certain cool-downs is baffling. So when a drg has to worry about a jump skill getting them killed in a aoe, thats not the same, or when a nin has nail a mantra to keep their damage up while dodging, thats not the same either? You make it sound like a sam is played in a completely different manner from anything else. Guess what its not. Your argument is invalid, calmed down.

[magnanimousCynic]

The fact you keep insisting that no one else as has to worry about when to pop certain cool-downs is baffling.

Who said this?

So when a drg has to worry about a jump skill getting them killed in a aoe, thats not the same

Yes, killing yourself due to using a skill wrong is not the same as having to manage cooldowns.

when a nin has nail a mantra to keep their damage up while dodging, thats not the same either?

I assume you mean Mudras, not Mantra, but you do know NIN can execute their mudras while moving, right?

You make it sound like a sam is played in a completely different manner from anything else. Guess what its not.

It's almost like it is.

Does SAM play like SMN? MCH? MNK?

SAM plays like SAM.

Your argument is invalid, calmed down.

Usually said by people when their argument is lacking.

[Selova]

So what you mean to say is that the sam rotation is just as long as wars, gotcha. The fact you keep insisting that no one else as has to worry about when to pop certain cool-downs is baffling. So when a drg has to worry about a jump skill getting them killed in a aoe, thats not the same, or when a nin has nail a mantra to keep their damage up while dodging, thats not the same either? You make it sound like a sam is played in a completely different manner from anything else. Guess what its not. Your argument is invalid, calmed down.

I never mentioned anywhere anything about other jobs not having to worry about managing cooldowns or when and when not to use abilities. You made a baseless claim based on not experience or knowledge, but conjecture that samurai dps has a easy rotation, is op and needs to be nerfed and then went on to further prove that you have no idea how a samurai plays by making the claim that their entire rotation is similiar to warrior and that all they have to do is 3 combos and their finisher, which is wrong. Also, telling people that their arguments are invalid isn't doing anything to help your case when all the information you are giving is incorrect. You have zero experience playing the job which is completely obvious from everything you've said in this thread and you were called out on it and proven wrong by people who play and have experience with the job.