SAM out classing all other DPS

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Ninja's in the corner laughing at this. TA is MASSIVE.

Ninja is most likely overtuned as well lol. Considering the ease of their job mechanic, the amount of utility they bring and their ranged attack options, they SHOULD be the weakest DPS. Yet they're as strong as Monks. Just seems odd really.

[silentwindfr]

only for 10 sec every minute, means the sam still more interesting most of the time, since this 500 dps of difference is all the time.
If we take the 500 dps number you give it means the ninja get the same dps of the sam for 10 second, while the 50 other second the sam have still 500 more dps... plus the dps of the sam is too boosted for 10sec meaning he get ahead all the time.

people are plagued with the utility curse recently, forgetting to look at the whole picture. a lot of people think that raid is only a question of number or utility... sadly it's not like this, it's role over all. you will bring 2 tank, 2 healer, 1 support, 1 ranged dps, 1 melee dps and if you can... a main dps. someone that will have as sole goal to bring enough dps for cover for the support dps that have generally a dps subpar.

SAM like MNK have this role and seriously a raid leader don't concidering this will shoot in his feet.

[silentwindfr]

talking of team balance, i feel nin/sam is a very strong combinaison, both boost each other and can cover for the other one. instead to say bring more ranged, bring a nin/sam in the group is far more interesting in terms of dps than bring 1 more ranged. that is definitivly far below in terms of dps. without forget sam have a very strong movement capacity. get away from a target don't stop them dps (enpi can be used) and they can be back to melee extremely fast.

i feel for the dps group a strong: brd/rdm/nin/sam is very good. in terms of dps and utility it will create a very powerfull group compared to most other group.
with this group, you will have 4 people buffed by slashing debuff, the nin vulnerability, the bard song, rdm buff (that mostly impact physical damage) and the sam dps.

you add an AST over this and enjoy the group that will be extremely powerfull

[Janhyua]

And to add it on top of my post, this is why you are not hired to be SE battle team lol because you failed to understand

[Janhyua]

If you nerf Sam then what the point of bringing a samurai when you can bring ninja which offer slashing debuff and trick attack!?!?!?!?!?! Ever think of that!?!?!? Ninja dps is pretty close to samurai if they got nerfed you can just delete samurai lol

[HoLoFoNo]

If you nerf Sam then what the point of bringing a samurai when you can bring ninja which offer slashing debuff and trick attack!?!?!?!?!?! Ever think of that!?!?!? Ninja dps is pretty close to samurai if they got nerfed you can just delete samurai lol

Because NIN is also overtuned? Use your head. Just because one class is good doesn't mean that there are no other problematic classes (I'm not pointing fingers, except I totally am at NIN and RDM.)

[HolyTurtle]

If you nerf Sam then what the point of bringing a samurai when you can bring ninja which offer slashing debuff and trick attack!?!?!?!?!?! Ever think of that!?!?!? Ninja dps is pretty close to samurai if they got nerfed you can just delete samurai lol

SAM provides approximately 4.5% more raid dps contribution than DRG and MNK and equal contribution to NIN when their party buffs (Trick Attacks, Brotherhood, Battle Litany, the piercing debuff, Dragon Sight) are factored in. With PLD/DRK, SAM provides even more raid dps contribution because of its slashing debuff.

[Lelila38]

If you nerf Sam then what the point of bringing a samurai when you can bring ninja which offer slashing debuff and trick attack!?!?!?!?!?! Ever think of that!?!?!? Ninja dps is pretty close to samurai if they got nerfed you can just delete samurai lol

Most people don't want Sam to be nerfed, by all rights it should be strongest. Problem is just how much stronger than every other job it is. Personally I'd like Sam still to be on top, but close the gap to other dps, the way it stands now, Sam will more or less be mandatory for savage progression and no class should be mandatory.
That being said, I'm aware of the balancing issues it would create to bring all other dps closer to Sam levels. Still, as it is now, it's not fair.

[Ryaz]

Most people don't want Sam to be nerfed, by all rights it should be strongest. Problem is just how much stronger than every other job it is. Personally I'd like Sam still to be on top, but close the gap to other dps, the way it stands now, Sam will more or less be mandatory for savage progression and no class should be mandatory.
That being said, I'm aware of the balancing issues it would create to bring all other dps closer to Sam levels. Still, as it is now, it's not fair.

Ninja will always be mandatory. Bard will always be mandatory.

I think Sam will be less mandatory than those two at this point.

[Draven]

Most people don't want Sam to be nerfed, by all rights it should be strongest. Problem is just how much stronger than every other job it is. Personally I'd like Sam still to be on top, but close the gap to other dps, the way it stands now, Sam will more or less be mandatory for savage progression and no class should be mandatory.
That being said, I'm aware of the balancing issues it would create to bring all other dps closer to Sam levels. Still, as it is now, it's not fair.

Rights? What rights? Sam has no rights above any other job to be better at dps. That's like saying Paladin should be the best tank because they have the right to it! like wtf