SAM out classing all other DPS

[Selova]

From what I have seen, they are easy, their rotation is as simple as a tank rotation. every other melee dps has more than one page of rotation, but I see that your mainning a Sam so your are biased.

Yet you are basing your knowledge of the job "From what I've seen" which gives you 0 credibility to make claims on the jobs difficulty. Their optimal rotation is far more complex than a tank rotation and requires heavy resource management, it's not as clear cut as do this combo and you win. I highly recommend you at least do some more indepth research on how the job plays rather than basing your knowledge off of mere conjecture, it makes you look like a fool.

[BelraugFire]

I have done research and every rotation that i have seen out there, sam rotation is no more complicated that a war rotation. But you seem to be missing the point, sam is to over powered. It needs to have a Nerf.

[Casca-Hawk]

Yet you are basing your knowledge of the job "From what I've seen" which gives you 0 credibility to make claims on the jobs difficulty. Their optimal rotation is far more complex than a tank rotation and requires heavy resource management, it's not as clear cut as do this combo and you win. I highly recommend you at least do some more indepth research on how the job plays rather than basing your knowledge off of mere conjecture, it makes you look like a fool.

A bit bitchy but they defiantly have a point.

[Inuk9]

He doesn't have too much utility, but his damage is way above normal.

SAM is the new WAR

[Shhikasan]

sam is not really out classing many people outside just the brd and mch(mostly the mch). I frankly stop playing mch at this point after suffering thru heavensward as a mch and literally same shit is happening with SB but even worst case, and went from worst dmg class to Sam cause frankly dmg is its own utility it makes kills a lot faster then having a mch slowing down the whole dam fight.

[Inuk9]

dunno about nerfing stuff before we even get the normal raid. I prefer the other way around and buff other jobs.

[Psycofang]

I have done research and every rotation that i have seen out there, sam rotation is no more complicated that a war rotation. But you seem to be missing the point, sam is to over powered. It needs to be nurfted.

It really doesnt. If sss is anything to go by they want sam to do this much damage at the cost that it cant help anyone but themselves.
Blm can go even with Sam and is expected/designed to if,again, sss is anything to go by.

It was done on purpose, other classes just need some minor tweaks but this is currently their idea on classes.

[Ootarion]

It really doesnt. If sss is anything to go by they want sam to do this much damage at the cost that it cant help anyone but themselves.
Blm can go even with Sam and is expected/designed to if,again, sss is anything to go by.

It was done on purpose, other classes just need some minor tweaks but this is currently their idea on classes.

The heck is SSS?

[Ootarion]

Finally an actuall debate rather than a one side attack saying Sam is the best, I made this thread cause I want to know how all classes felt about it, not just a Sam is great echo chamber. Again my observations are from what I see from the class skills and even more from player base, particularly mnk and drg. Now that this debate has truelly started, let's bring in the data, please post any relevant data that you find, whether it follows your viewpoint or not. Thanks and good luck. (Ps: my point is not meaningless because of trolling)

First off, if you have to resort to getting under peoples skin just to try and throw off their train of thought in order to make your position stronger, you are infact only invalidating your own words because of how weak you know your own words must be.

Secondly, Ive seen the question of "Have you played Samurai" being thrown around out there, have you infact answered that question? If so what was it cause I am not sure if I ever saw your direct answer to that specific question.

Thirdly, as hard as I know it must be for people to admit, you included, SAM brings practically no utility to the party, the only thing the class really has is the high amount of damage it does to offset the fact it has little to nothing else, if it's damage was lowered any more then it already currently is, it wouldnt be able to survive a multi enemy fight unless it had help from a tank or dps, or had a healer helping them. Having played this class myself, granted I am not max lvl with it or even lvl 60 with it yet, I can see how hard it is to play this class alone against multiple enemies with absolutely no reliable, sustainable means of self preservation beyond Potions, Second Wind and Merciful Eyes (a heal), the Third Eye ability is only useful against ONE attack and reduces the damage of the attack it takes by 5%.

Please try to understand that if a class has ludicrously high damage, they are called a Glass Cannon for a reason, BLM at least has an AoE sleep but oh guess what, at later levels, at least in dungeons, this becomes meaningless.

Again, with all that power that SAMs have, they had to sacrifice something for it, and that came in the form of the fact they have no note worthy CC and no real reliable means of healing.

Addendum: Other Melee classes such as Ninja or Dragoon which I have personally played for a good while, have defensive abilities to increase their survivability and they have em out the wazoo, SAM? Not so much. SAM is a perfect example of a High Risk High Gain type class.

[BelraugFire]

1. Since you were not following what I said, my trolling was a result of them purposely attacking my skill as player, it was never intended to make my argument stronger, this wasn't even an argument to begin with, I want to here people's views, 2. I have played it some, but I have been talking my observations from the skill list and from other players, friends included who have played it. 3. I know it brings a slashing rebuff as it's only utility, I can compare it to a monk who is quite similar in this regard, but potency output is double theirs, that makes no sense, and even though Sam being similar to a monk, no one had problems keeping up with a monk. Again these are my observations from the players i have played with, i do believe it needs to be balanced, my monk and drg friends feel under powered when compared to a Sam, and have done savage content. Again I want to hear everyone's view on the subject not these, "you haven't played it so your word is meaningless" crap.