SAM out classing all other DPS

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I can imagine this guy playing his SAM and shrugging off whatever damage values he gets

"hm, 26k Midare Satsugekka"

I've seen parses with SAM at 4600, and NIN at 4400. if you add in trick attack, does that not put NIN at the same level as SAM? If we are going off that, then its the other classes that need buffs, not SAM needing a nerf.

and thats 35k setsugekkas thank you. Also, BLM was getting 22k crits at 60 lol. no one complained they were OP.

[Oscura]

I've seen parses with SAM at 4600, and NIN at 4400. if you add in trick attack, does that not put NIN at the same level as SAM? If we are going off that, then its the other classes that need buffs, not SAM needing a nerf.

and thats 35k setsugekkas thank you. Also, BLM was getting 22k crits at 60 lol. no one complained they were OP.

No one complained about Black Mages at 60 because they were substantially harder to play than Samurai is. There was little to no margin for error to get good dps out of BLM. Many people I know have switched to Samurai simply because it's so easy compared to Monk. It's also far more rewarding.

Edit: Also, I do agree that other classes need buffs, rather than SAM getting nerfed. My only problem is I don't trust SE to not overbuff any classes. It's easier to nerf than buff, it's part of why you see nerfs more than buffs in most games period. AST was a good example of what goes wrong with buffing a class in the 3.x series. People shrugged off WHM.

[Erys]

Also, BLM was getting 22k crits at 60 lol.

You said it yourself. Critical hit.
If I'm not mistaken a 22k midare setsugekka should be a non crit-non direct hit midare. Since dragoon full boosted Full Thrust direct crit is 16k, and midare setsugekka without any buffs is almost double the potency of a normal non buffed Full Thrust, I'd assume that a crit midare should round 35k and a direct crit around 40k.
So yeah... they are op.

[BlackThought]

One thing I will say about this thread... I can definitely see why SE doesn't like parsers. People really do care only about numbers.

It's almost like that's the game.

[Erys]

One thing I will say about this thread... I can definitely see why SE doesn't like parsers. People really do care only about numbers.

Well if a class OUTPERFORMS the rest, why wouldn't you take said class?
You will kill whatever faster, see less mechanics either by skipping or by killing stuff before they do them, risk less wipes. All this stuff decreases the toll that raiding sometimes takes on the team.
Yeah, you play the game to have fun. But wiping repeatedly and/or spending a lot of time in a raid when it could be far less starts draining every person in there rather fast.

[Ryaz]

Well if a class OUTPERFORMS the rest, why wouldn't you take said class?
You will kill whatever faster, see less mechanics either by skipping or by killing stuff before they do them, risk less wipes. All this stuff decreases the toll that raiding sometimes takes on the team.
Yeah, you play the game to have fun. But wiping repeatedly and/or spending a lot of time in a raid when it could be far less starts draining every person in there rather fast.

Except those numbers won't really determine whether or not a group wipes repeatedly. Player skill will, unless the fight involves a ridiculously hard DPS check like Bismarck EX did.

[Neela]

Somehow it's kinda sad that so much of you define fun with numbers - I'll remember a thread in this forum where someone said something like "Although Mch is way bottom line I just love it" - and that's what's it all about why not just playing what you like? All this numbers made the the game more to a bloody competition than to an enjoyable entertainment... never got it, never will get it. Even the hardest content can be beaten with suboptimal comps - just play what you like not what is meta : o

[Erys]

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I'm going to play dragoon to the end of this game whether at the last expansion it deals 1dps in comparison to every other class dealing 10M or whether it is god tier.
But the fact is that lower dps, that MUCH lower dps, is a hindrance to the group and to yourself. It's about getting progressively tired, performing with more stress because you are dealing with extra stuff because of your class choice and in the end not being able to call it quit because surprise surprise gotta meet the weekly lockout to not fall behind on the patch.

[Neela]

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I played noob smn in arr, aoe masterrace in hw and now the questionable sb dragon tamer. Same goes for aar the lazy Brd, burst hw monster and will lvl sb singer next. Pure boring whm without much utility in hw, now even more pure healing in sb - and I never had problems nor someone who said i would slow down the grp in any manner. Can't see the problem to be honest... people make themselves the stress of thinking it would be bad if they stick to avarage or bottom line. : /

Those cls which "suck" now will shine in another moment... always running and changing for the meta is just hmm... I saw them joining in HW, i see them leaving in SB just for being "best of the best" - sad.

[Erys]

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Still being 600 dps below on average is making you a deadweight to the group. You will have more mechanics whether you like it or not. More mechanics=more chances to fail because we are all human beings=more fails=more stress=more fails=vicious cycle of death leading to frustration over progression.

I don't advocate for changing classes for the meta, but there's a limit to being useless. I never liked monk but I felt for them in HW. Same for pld and I absolutely hate tanks.
And dragoon is currently only making up their low personal dps with both a bard and machinist and still comes up to deal the same personal damage (if you count the combined of brd and mch into drg's) of ninja or monk. Then ninja on top of that has their raid damage. Furthermore the compo drg+brd+mch is going to be weaker than nin+mnk+sam going by raw numbers.