SAM out classing all other DPS

[Blacktestament7]

I haven't read all of this thread but for me there's just one thing I have to add. Nerfs need to never happen to classes for "balance". Nerfs bring nothing good in the long run. Ignoring why SAM is where it is, rather than lower SAM to MCH or other classes bring those classes higher. Nerfing classes just makes all the classes worse, it doesn't make any class better by comparison. In this example, Instead of MCH getting any better SAM would now just be worse off and now you have two bad classes. Why push for that? That mentality makes no sense.That being said, there's no reason SAM should be nerfed unless you want a repeat of how badly MNK was ignored in 3.0.

[Fyce]

I haven't read all of this thread but for me there's just one thing I have to add. Nerfs need to never happen to classes for "balance". Nerfs bring nothing good in the long run. Ignoring why SAM is where it is, rather than lower SAM to MCH or other classes bring those classes higher. Nerfing classes just makes all the classes worse, it doesn't make any class better by comparison. In this example, Instead of MCH getting any better SAM would now just be worse off and now you have two bad classes. Why push for that? That mentality makes no sense.That being said, there's no reason SAM should be nerfed unless you want a repeat of how badly MNK was ignored in 3.0.

This doesn't make sense. When a single job is completly overpowered and crush all other jobs by a huge marging, buffing all jobs to the same level takes literally ten times the efforts, while also generating a need to re-balance encounters. The chance of messing up the overall balance is drastically increased with this method.
Yes, the feeling players get when their job is nerfed s*cks. But in the current situation, it's the best solution. It involves less work and less risk.

[Blacktestament7]

No single job right now is that overpowered at all and clearly encounter balance isnt a concern in this game with how you could light grind stuff like a1s.

I get what your saying but theres balance already and if your answer is to nerf one class into oblivion for balance that imbalance all on its own. Your just gonna take a longer route to get there.

[Fyce]

No single job right now is that overpowered at all and clearly encounter balance isnt a concern in this game with how you could light grind stuff like a1s.

I get what your saying but theres balance already and if your answer is to nerf one class into oblivion for balance that imbalance all on its own. Your just gonna take a longer route to get there.

Let me rephrase.
You seem to be a MNK main, so no matter what you do, no matter how hard you try, a SAM player with the same skill level as you will constantly be between 10 to 15% above you.
To a DRG, this difference in DPS jumps to 15 to 20%.
In short, if you want to buff every DPS job to be roughly at the same level as SAM, you need to give everyone (but SAM, obviously), the equivalent of apermanent AoE Balance effect or a regular one for the worst jobs.

If you think that: 1) it doesn't make SAM OP, and/or 2) encounter balance won't be drastically affected, then you are completly delusional.

[Shiroe]

And it's not helping, that many buffs aim at physically dps too. Without those, I can see a blm keeping up or surpassing a Sam. At least in the 2 trials we have so far. In groups that don't directly buff physical dps or Ast' favouring the Sam, seen Blm toe to toe with Sam if not surpassing it a tick.

I'd say Blm should get nerfed too, not only it's insane aoe damage; it can burst and sustain; but also the single target damage,..
IF NOT, than because in future fights there will be even more movement AND because there are fewer magical buffs in the game?

[Shiroe]

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Actually not nerf Sam and Blm, but nerf the buffs of the other classes, and buff the personal Dps of the other classes. So if feels rewarding to play your Drg and Smn and other classes well...

[Riotpersona]

Actually not nerf Sam and Blm, but nerf the buffs of the other classes, and buff the personal Dps of the other classes. So if feels rewarding to play your Drg and Smn and other classes well...

They just need to buff the personal dps of some of these classes, SMN, DRG and MCH's raid buffs are comparatively weak as it is.

[Shiroe]

They just need to buff the personal dps of some of these classes, SMN, DRG and MCH's raid buffs are comparatively weak as it is.

True, many buffs are low.

As for Mnk 3.x, it wasn't ignored for not being over the top dps with no buffs, just the other buffs were to good. Many still played Mnk and Mnks found spots in farm pfs, unlike casters.

Sam and Blm can both remain top dps, just not by such a large margin. And some buffs should not only be restricted to buffing physical dps imo.

[Galvuu]

True, many buffs are low.

As for Mnk 3.x, it wasn't ignored for not being over the top dps with no buffs, just the other buffs were to good. Many still played Mnk and Mnks found spots in farm pfs, unlike casters.

Sam and Blm can both remain top dps, just not by such a large margin. And some buffs should not only be restricted to buffing physical dps imo.

I'm pretty sure it's SAM>>MNK>NIN>BLM right now... not sure where you're getting BLM is second or whatever.
It's funny, because in 3.4/3.5, MNK was actually better than BLM/SMN. It had higher dps than either of them, and unless you were progressing, once you had the fights on farm/were well-geared, neither BLM nor SMN provided any crucial utility (hence the best comp being NIN/DRG/BRD/MCH by very far, as far as dps is concerned).

[s3ystic]

I know its been said over again and again, but SAM is a class that focuses on damage. It doesn't buff the party. It doesn't offer any trick utilities. It just does damage. Its there for itself as a "selfish DPS" and it should be the best at what it does. "Purity of purpose" and all that. Its RDM that i have a beef with (but that is for another thread.) I personally picked up sam, played an hour of it and put it down. Its not my cup of tea.