SAM out classing all other DPS

[Lastelli]

I agree. But SAM is quite mobile with its low CD ogcd gap closers.

Indeed sam is very mobile, but do consider yaten and gyoten are still a dps loss since they use kenki. Plus enpi interrupts your combo. I wouldn't be surprised if fflogs will show that sam is actually not the highest dps in savage content because of mechanics and stuff. In which case it'll be useless because of the zero exclusive utility they bring to the raid. I'm actually more worried about smn and rdm high st dps.

[Silverquick]

One job that is really doing very well in actual combat instances post 4.0 is Ninja.

That one has surprised me a bit

[Ephier]

One job that is really doing very well in actual combat instances post 4.0 is Ninja.

That one has surprised me a bit

Even most NINs are saying they are too strong for what they offer.

[Jeckyl_Tesla]

Most likely Sam will get toned down a bit.

But in the end, it really doesn't matter. The average player (90% of this forum) can't even play the easiest classes to a proficient level, let alone a a class like SAM that somewhat more difficult to play. So people will always complain, whether a class is good or bad.

[Deithwen]

Just a kind reminder for the ones posting that video about 4600 dps, read the video description which says " i think depending on critical SMR(314lv) 3min dps 4100~4600"

And you realize this is a very lucky parse with high crits on high potency skills. A parse that does't represent the average dps, and is not relevant in a long fight.

Also it was below 3 minutes.

Also keep in mind that Nin and Mnk have similar dps, a bit lower but not by a lot. But I guess it's easier to scream "nerf that class!" than actually trying to understand.

[Lastelli]

Tbh as I see more parses from other jobs I'm starting to think that sam actually needs a buff. Right now it's in the same spot mnk was in before sb. There's even a rdm at 4400+ dps somewhere.

[Mavrias]

If another class having a bigger number sometimes takes all the fun out of your class for you that's kind of pathetic.

[Lastelli]

oh stand corrected all I've done is look through the job skills and noticed no mention of any positional requirements on any of its skills

Be warned: sam skill ceiling is quite high. You can do pretty good damage even if you're not playing optimally, but perfect use of hagakure and kenki + sen management is not easy at all. Also optimal play requires the correct use of third eye, which means that you have to know exactly when aoe damage is coming. I was a nin main in creator savage and previously a mnk main and I honestly think that sam skill ceiling is higher than these jobs' during heavensward.

[Silverquick]

Be warned: sam skill ceiling is quite high. You can do pretty good damage even if you're not playing optimally, but perfect use of hagakure and kenki + sen management is not easy at all. Also optimal play requires the correct use of thirdeye, which means that you have to know exactly when aoe damage is coming. I was a nin main in creator savage and previously a mnk main and I honestly think that sam skill ceiling is higher than these jobs' during heavensward.

Honestly I think you're right. From the parces I've seen, the majority of SAM's have been a good 600 or more DPS below me. It took a long time to find one that understood the job, and even he wasn't able to beat me by much. And obviously from some of the other people in this thread, its not just me seeing it.

So I think SAM is in the same shoes as BLM... does lots of damage on a training dummy but can't translate it well to actual combat due to movement, positionals, etc.

It's going to take a seriously skilled player to do this one right, and then the mechanics in an instance might still screw you over.

[Clawbriar]

It's pretty stupid how we don't have a PTR. World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy XI and the Elder Scrolls Online all had them. They're invaluable for giving feedback outside of internal testing.