SAM out classing all other DPS

[Ryaz]

It'll be fun when Sam gets nerfed to be "competitive" and then gets left on the sidelines because they bring no utility.

I'm not saying there doesn't need to be balancing done, but we need a lot more parsing from some real content before we start throwing around nerfs and buffs.

But, its an MMO. The player base only believes a class is OP if it's not the one they play. If it is, it's fine. Nothing more than epeen in action really.

[Nominous]

It'll be fun when Sam gets nerfed to be "competitive" and then gets left on the sidelines because they bring no utility.

I'm not saying there doesn't need to be balancing done, but we need a lot more parsing from some real content before we start throwing around nerfs and buffs.

But, its an MMO. The player base only believes a class is OP if it's not the one they play. If it is, it's fine. Nothing more than epeen in action really.

This is accurate. Everything is a chain reaction too. Couple classes are feeling left out because one is doing well, then the one loses what made them unique (everyone getting their own trick attack/ hypercharge equivalent), or they become less attractive for parties in general. Then the previously "OP" class needs to be buffed because they don't offer enough. Which usually results in them receiving the same things the other classes used to have as unique draws.

Bleh.

I'd rather NOT have party buffs on SAM, but just like MNK, and DRG, that's the inevitable future for them if people continue on this track wanting this kind of "balance".

[Lorielle]

People can stop being sheep and just play the jobs they like. Whether SAM gets nerfed or not, I know I'll follow it to the end. Because it's simply the job that I actually like.

[EdwinLi]

People can stop being sheep and just play the jobs they like. Whether SAM gets nerfed or not, I know I'll follow it to the end. Because it's simply the job that I actually like.

Sadly Sleeping will never stop since a good amount of people who play MMOs are prone to go after what is considered the one with the Biggest Number.

Honestly, I am playing Samurai and making it my main because I have always been one who enjoys the Speed Sword type Class/Job in RPG/MMO even long before I discovered the Samurai Job in any video game. Always been the person who made their character aim for high speed and damage with a sword before I discovered Gun class/job.

Everytime I play a RPG/MMO the first thing I am to play first is the Speed Sword type class/Job in the game but of course it is double edged as certain games make or break the Speed sword type class/jobs either by making them too weak or too strong.

It always seem to be difficult for most developers to balance a Speed Sword class/job.

[Dzian]

People can stop being sheep and just play the jobs they like. Whether SAM gets nerfed or not, I know I'll follow it to the end. Because it's simply the job that I actually like.

It's on my list. I'm thinking of making it my main dps job over ninja just because it has no positionals.. which if I recall correctly was something that attracted a lot of players to it originally. was quite the uproar when they added positionals in heavensward if I recall.

assuming of course they don't repeat what they did with ninja and add positional requirements to samurai.

Most likely Sam will get toned down a bit.

But in the end, it really doesn't matter. The average player (90% of this forum) can't even play the easiest classes to a proficient level, let alone a a class like SAM that somewhat more difficult to play. So people will always complain, whether a class is good or bad.

Sam looks to be one of the easiest to play right now because it has no positionals at all.

[Shurrikhan]

It's on my list. I'm thinking of making it my main dps job over ninja just because it has no positionals.. which if I recall correctly was something that attracted a lot of players to it originally. was quite the uproar when they added positionals in heavensward if I recall.

assuming of course they don't repeat what they did with ninja and add positional requirements to samurai.


Sam looks to be one of the easiest to play right now because it has no positionals at all.

It has two positionals already, on each of its 3-step combos. They're just adjustments to resource generation rather than raw potency.

[HoLoFoNo]

It's on my list. I'm thinking of making it my main dps job over ninja just because it has no positionals.. which if I recall correctly was something that attracted a lot of players to it originally. was quite the uproar when they added positionals in heavensward if I recall.

assuming of course they don't repeat what they did with ninja and add positional requirements to samurai.


Sam looks to be one of the easiest to play right now because it has no positionals at all.

S-should we tell him?

Samurai has positionals which increases accumulation of the kenki gauge. Not doing them will still result in a dps loss.

[Dzian]

S-should we tell him?

Samurai has positionals which increases accumulation of the kenki gauge. Not doing them will still result in a dps loss.

oh stand corrected all I've done is look through the job skills and noticed no mention of any positional requirements on any of its skills

[Jeckyl_Tesla]

oh stand corrected all I've done is look through the job skills and noticed no mention of any positional requirements on any of its skills

As others have stated, the positionals aren't as full blown as something like MNK or DRG or NIN where not using them instantly means you loseDPS, but a SAM not using his positionals correctly will lose DPS overall.
The SAM rotation isn't about doing a rigid rotation however, and it requires on the fly thinking while juggling multiple things at once. Add in movements, and perfect positionals, you're going to find that difference between a good SAM and a bad SAM to be very very noticeable. More so than most other classes apart from something like a BLM.

Though this isn't a jab directed at you, I bet that SAM will be known as the class with the worst players. And it'll be the people who think it's an easy class that will be the ones behind the reins.

[Verius_Nox]

Until more testing is done, I'd only warrant a nerf to samurai's dps if it was so good, it's better to stack them, but as of right now, if you're playing anything else but samurai, be prepared to be the samurai's little bicboi buff bot.