Request: Limiting the number of blatant Game of Thrones references in future?

[missybee]

We use "hell" as an exclamation all the time in English. If there are seven hells in their world, then they probably aren't going to use "hell" singularly. They'll say "hells" or "(number of) hells" most likely, the same way they refer to the Twelve.

Koji-Fox literally said in a panel at Fanfest that he invented "Seven Hells" SPECIFICALLY as a swear because it sounded better than the original "Six Hells" they had designed by the lore team, all because he wanted Stahlmann/Rostnstahl to use it. It had nothing to do with being a reference to ASOIAF or GoT.

I can readily concede on that one, but you both seem to be ignoring the second part of my post.

[Kaedan]

I honestly am more bothered by the liberties taken by the localization team overall.

There are several parts of the dialogue in which the Japanese dialogue and the English text say entirely different things. In Stormblood there are moments in which a line is literally cut in half (in meaning, not just in length) in the English dialogue compared to the Japanese.

It's not Sega-levels of bad, but it is pretty disconcerting is you understand some Japanese.

While the localization team isn't perfect, they do a fine job. There are very few circumstances where the meaning conveyed in Japanese is significantly changed in the English version. And there are no circumstances where important information in the Japanese is not conveyed in the English. They sometimes shift some information to a previous or following sentence (or two later), but they never outright skip important info.

[Meghann]

I personally enjoy them, and get excited when I come across them in game.

[Daralii]

? The concept of seven hells is thousands of years old.

It's also part of the XIV universe, mirroring the Seven Heavens.

[ColorOfSakura]

I can readily concede on that one, but you both seem to be ignoring the second part of my post.

The fact there's a lot of GoT references in the game? Yeah, there are. There's a lot of pop culture references in the game in general though.

Game of Thrones is probably the most well known current fantasy property out there though, so of course you're going to see them sprinkled throughout the game.

[DracotheDragon]

I can readily concede on that one, but you both seem to be ignoring the second part of my post.

you mean

Even if you strike that one off the list, there is a veritable cornucopia of references to chose from.

Oh gods above you said "strike that one off the list", theres so many references in that i see what you did there.


its a non statement, just because there ARE references doesn't mean they reference something. sometimes things sound cool to say, plus most of the phrases are actual phrases, like Anyroad and words are air for example.

[MomomiMomi]

I can readily concede on that one, but you both seem to be ignoring the second part of my post.

I wasn't intentionally ignoring the rest of the post, I was merely focusing on that one as I know there's background well before GoT for it. There are others that probably come from things well before GoT, I'm sure.

I won't deny there are a lot of GoT references (I don't even know GoT and I could spot a couple), but there are references to tons of things.

[missybee]

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There are a plethora of pop culture references in the game, and when I can employ the use of IUnderstoodThatReference.gif, it makes me happy! I just agree with OP in that the Song of Ice and Fire references in particular feel a little heavy-handed. It does make sense though, because as you said, GOT is a very pervasive and popular fantasy franchise.

Personally, I don't hate it and it really isn't a big deal - it just gets to feeling a little overmuch for me.

With regard to this statement, however:

just because there ARE references doesn't mean they reference something

I got nothing.

[DracotheDragon]

I got nothing.

see if i say something like Danger Danger for an alarm, that dosnt mean i am going DANGER DANGER WILL ROBINSON. or making an intentional referance to that phrase

thats what i am getting at :/

[Serilda]

I agree that in isolation none of these references are overwhelming. And the odd 'little birds' wouldn't bother me in the slightest; I like the phrase on its own, and it doesn't stick out when it's just once or twice in the whole game (however, I counted three instances of the line in one day of questing recently, which does rather stand out when there are other references to the series everywhere else yet seldom is there a single bird, actual or metaphorical, in sight). But as has been said, why not 'Final Fantasy' it up a little or at least keep the nudges to non-story elements where they can be appreciated by those who know and ignored by those who are trying to take the game's world-building moderately seriously?

I have a friend who doesn't know about GoT and the in-jokes like the RDM one don't sound clever at all to her, just bewildering. Obviously character names and most popularised period linguistic tics go completely over her head, but I know that our localisation team is clever enough to be able to write their own excellent dialogue without inserting ASoIaF into every possible piece of content just because they love it so darn much.

Anyway, I've taken the quest now so it's not like I'm going to keep crying over it, just wanted to get it off my chest. Glad that at least some of you enjoy it ;p