Request: Limiting the number of blatant Game of Thrones references in future?

[Theodric]

Dark humor exists.

More at 11

This.

I mean, the game has a huge 'mature themes' label for a reason. People accept that by purchasing the product. Complaining about it afterwards, then, is silly.

[Greedalox]

This.

I mean, the game has a huge 'mature themes' label for a reason. People accept that by purchasing the product. Complaining about it afterwards, then, is silly.

It's no more tasteless than the sex/drugs/booze/murder/genocide found in the game. People just want to be upset sometimes.

[Slirith]

It's okay for FATEs(pulp culture references in general) but nothing else. +1 agree to you OP

[Claviusnex]

I've not seen the series nor read the books so I have no idea what is or isn't related to GoT. Now if they had named the Enterprise the Millennial Falcon I might have had words with SE.

[Zigabar]

TBH, this just makes me want to unlock RDM even more. I love me some GoT.

[Abriael]

I honestly am more bothered by the liberties taken by the localization team overall.

There are several parts of the dialogue in which the Japanese dialogue and the English text say entirely different things. In Stormblood there are moments in which a line is literally cut in half (in meaning, not just in length) in the English dialogue compared to the Japanese.

It's not Sega-levels of bad, but it is pretty disconcerting is you understand some Japanese.

[ColorOfSakura]

I honestly am more bothered by the liberties taken by the localization team overall.

There are several parts of the dialogue in which the Japanese dialogue and the English text say entirely different things. In Stormblood there are moments in which a line is literally cut in half (in meaning, not just in length) in the English dialogue compared to the Japanese.

It's not Sega-levels of bad, but it is pretty disconcerting is you understand some Japanese.

Localization is not translation. Localization is taking text and making it fit and understandable for a western audience. Japanese and English operate as very different languages. English relies more on subtlety and things being inferred, whereas Japanese makes more sense to just spell everything out. If you do that in English, it becomes patronizing and almost condescending to the person reading the text. So honestly, it makes more sense for the English text to read as fairly different from the original Japanese text because of how they want to present the information to the playerbase.

[Abriael]

Localization is not translation. Localization is taking text and making it fit and understandable for a western audience. Japanese and English operate as very different languages. English relies more on subtlety and things being inferred, whereas Japanese makes more sense to just spell everything out. If you do that in English, it becomes patronizing and almost condescending to the person reading the text. So honestly, it makes more sense for the English text to read as fairly different from the original Japanese text because of how they want to present the information to the playerbase.

I'm intimately aware of that all. It's always funny how people ready to defend poor localization always seem to assume that whoever they're discussing with doesn't know what localization entails.

The point is that there are plenty of cases in which relevant information is omitted or relationships between characters are misrepresented.

A very clear example is the fact that Estinien calls the warrior of light "aibou" in Japanese, meaning partner. There are several ways to localize this, but in English it's simply lost, and it's a big loss, as it shows how the cold and detached Estinien has been touched by the warrior of light and opened up to trust him/her.

This kind of conceptual loss is simply an example of bad localization. There are no two ways about it.

[MomomiMomi]

I'm intimately aware of that all. It's always funny how people ready to defend poor localization always seem to assume that whoever they're discussing with doesn't know what localization entails.

The point is that there are plenty of cases in which relevant information is omitted or relationships between characters are misrepresented.

A very clear example is the fact that Estinien calls the warrior of light "aibou" in Japanese, meaning partner. There are several ways to localize this, but in English it's simply lost, and it's a big loss, as it shows how the cold and detached Estinien has been touched by the warrior of light and opened up to trust him/her.

This kind of conceptual loss is simply an example of bad localization.

Not necessarily. Changing relationships to better fit a different culture's tastes is also part of localization. You may not like it, but that doesn't mean it's bad localization.

Note that I don't like it either.

In the case of Estinien, we can see that he has opened up to us. We don't need him to express it so obviously.

[MrSmiley]

Not necessarily. Changing relationships to better fit a different culture's tastes is also part of localization. You may not like it, but that doesn't mean it's bad localization.

Note that I don't like it either.

In the case of Estinien, we can see that he has opened up to us. We don't need him to express it so obviously.

We also don't have a focus on the terms we use to call people to have a deeper meaning like they sometimes do in Japan. We may use "bro" or "pal" or maybe something a little more elegant, but it doesn't have a deep meaning here. In japan were things like honorifics are a thing, the way you address or refer to someone means a lot more than it does here.

if he started using the word partner or friend, or whatever a lot, it would look weird to a lot of people.