Even Xeno thinks WAR needs some love.

[Hierro]

DRK on the other hand is in a weird place. They are way worse at single-target DPS and way better at AoE DPS than the other two tanks and have much weaker cooldowns for everything but magic damage. I'm not sure if SE has a plan for that or (probably more likely) they've simply run out of ideas for DRK identity since they couldn't get the tanks right for all of HW and this is all they have left of where they started.

I saw on youtube voxfall's susano SSS videos. You know, i'd like to think that guy's a credible source. ANYWAYS, he parsed 3k on drk, 3.1k on pld, and 3.2k on WAR. Sure, right there it appears like DRK's in last place, but you made the comment about PLD factoring in slashing to get higher than WAR dps. If you do the same, DRK also beats out WAR.

[aqskerorokero]

In other words, PLD will come out massively ahead in 99% of content because not only will you have the slashing debuff, but PLD's rotation is also braindead easy to pull off and not massively punished by mechanics or stance swapping, like Warrior's.

Good balance!

Typical blue icon dps mentality, if you think playing pld is braindead you are wrong, as you said war's rotation is rigid, that to is braindead as you soon or later got you muscle memory to do the rotation. The new pld has to consider party mitigation.

aggro>own mitigation>party mitigation> own dps rotation.

if I see a member is nearly dead and aoe damage is coming, I have to screw my " rotation " to cast intervention or clemency. I saw too many healers with tunnel vision problems.......

[SargentToughie]

Typical blue icon dps mentality, if you think playing pld is braindead you are wrong, as you said war's rotation is rigid, that to is braindead as you soon or later got you muscle memory to do the rotation. The new pld has to consider party mitigation.

aggro>own mitigation>party mitigation> own dps rotation.

if I see a member is nearly dead and aoe damage is coming, I have to screw my " rotation " to cast intervention or clemency. I saw too many healers with tunnel vision problems.......

Oh cool, so you need to actually take time to consider the other options that PLD has available that WAR doesn't when it comes to helping the party, before just hammering on the DPS. Thanks for... proving my point about current balance?

[Tankstuff]

Typical blue icon dps mentality, if you think playing pld is braindead you are wrong, as you said war's rotation is rigid, that to is braindead as you soon or later got you muscle memory to do the rotation. The new pld has to consider party mitigation.

aggro>own mitigation>party mitigation> own dps rotation.

if I see a member is nearly dead and aoe damage is coming, I have to screw my " rotation " to cast intervention or clemency. I saw too many healers with tunnel vision problems.......

LMAO war rotation is 10 times as complicated as plds, youre clueless. Source- my 314 war and pal. When i want to turn my brain off guess which one I play

[Ashur]

LMAO war rotation is 10 times as complicated as plds, youre clueless. Source- my 314 war and pal. When i want to turn my brain off guess which one I play

Yeah Paladin is simple in its rotation, no denying that. But that's its design. Paladin with its support kit is for the players who rather than focusing on their own complex rotation are looking at the arena, checking the party for anyone with low health or vuln when the tough aoe is coming, deciding whether divine veil is needed now to save that caster or later cos the healers are on the ball with extra shielding where needed. Paladins focus on situational awareness in boss fights, so while they spam the holy button they can check who needs help, who needs cover, who's gonna survive and who's gonna need a hand mitigating because of a previously failed mechanic or a chunk of hp missing. It's not a playstyle that appeals to everyone, nor should it, people like playing differently. But in learning a fight or doing something complex for the first time, it's easier to react when you're not tunnel visioning your rotation and missing something, while still contributing decently to the party. Paladin is great for new tanks to learn how to position enemies, check mechanics and such while not having so much to do at once that they panic.

Sorry if rambling or doesn't make sense, had no sleep.

[Janhyua]

They just need to remove the gauge lost for stance dance that's all it need to get a fix

[NewSinz]

I dont understand PLD hate. Ive talked with several WAR and DRK's and they all say Paladin deserves some spotlight for a change. I have the distinct feeling that the only people complaining are the people who are upset they are no longer big ick DPS and Mitigation kings.

[Vejitta]

I don't see any Paladin hate and I don't think it's valid. I don't think any normal Warrior player would hate changes they made for Paladins.
Normal Warrior player is annoyed how SE messed perfectly working job. Of course there will be comparisons, because comparisons shows best how job can be done very well (vide PLD) and how can be broken very well (vide WAR).

Playing Warrior now is nothing alike playing it in HW, it's not fun, it's tedious and mundane. I suppose this is how Paladins felt in HW and that worries me even more, because they had to wait for whole expansion for fixes... :/

[Marxam]

I dont understand PLD hate. Ive talked with several WAR and DRK's and they all say Paladin deserves some spotlight for a change. I have the distinct feeling that the only people complaining are the people who are upset they are no longer big ick DPS and Mitigation kings.

you're not wrong in that pld finally got some love but did SE have to gimp the other two tanks just to make the point? I'm happy PLD has finally got its "identity" and "theme" of protecting the party and it looks really good. WAR lost its "raging berserk" and "mitigation through damage" identity while DRK lost its "magic tank" status. I miss that about war. Every time in 3.0 I pop berserk and blood bath and vengeance I feel like an angry beast just going to town on the enemy and every hit I deal and receive only makes me more angry. It's very similar to the lore of losing control and everyone around you is potentially at risk so you have to take care of yourself. I don't really get that with 4.0 war since the loss of bloodbath and the heal nerfs at 70 for IB and SP.

[Soraki-Muppe]

I dont understand PLD hate. Ive talked with several WAR and DRK's and they all say Paladin deserves some spotlight for a change. I have the distinct feeling that the only people complaining are the people who are upset they are no longer big ick DPS and Mitigation kings.

What PLD hate?
The things I am pissed about is how my favorite tank is punished like hell for changing stance if you did not plan out the entire fight, how one of our new skills Shake it off is completely and utterly useless on paper and in the game, how another of our skills cost way more then it is worth, how our lvl70 skill share cooldown with unchained which make our old skill more or less pointless.
So no my anger is not for PLD, it is for the dev team who fucked up in an epic way. I would be less pissed if they came out and at least said they are looking into it, then again their silence speaks plenty.