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    Quote Originally Posted by Chardrizard View Post
    THM is pretty much needed for a smooth phase 1 moogle because they can take down the GLA and MRD moogles with ease.
    Incorrect.

    2 Cons in Cleric stance spamming aero and stone combo is more than enough magic dps for mrd/gla. Because of this fact, people often opt for another archer in the place of a thm. Couple this with the fact that con can use blissful mind and shroud of saints to pretty much never run out of mp, the con will have much greater staying power than a thm. Furthermore a con has the advantage of being able to heal the party as well. Because of this, a con's usefulness to the party, at least in moogle fight, far outweighs any thm.

    You'd be better off bringing a third con to the fight than a thm imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi View Post
    Incorrect.

    2 Cons in Cleric stance spamming aero and stone combo is more than enough magic dps for mrd/gla. Because of this fact, people often opt for another archer in the place of a thm. Couple this with the fact that con can use blissful mind and shroud of saints to pretty much never run out of mp, the con will have much greater staying power than a thm. Furthermore a con has the advantage of being able to heal the party as well. Because of this, a con's usefulness to the party, at least in moogle fight, far outweighs any thm.

    You'd be better off bringing a third con to the fight than a thm imo.
    Thank you its hard to heal mp in the second phase as thm when your are constantly running around until they "understand" this they will never know. If Se wants to add more dynamic fights standing in one spot getting mp is not apart of that when your trying not to die cause your standing still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firon View Post
    Thank you its hard to heal mp in the second phase as thm when your are constantly running around until they "understand" this they will never know. If Se wants to add more dynamic fights standing in one spot getting mp is not apart of that when your trying not to die cause your standing still.
    THM's damage output exceeds that of a Cleric CNJ even. Sure, one can make do as such in Phase 1, but in Phase II I'd rather every ounce of each CNJ's MP be left for heals, what with the chaos that can ensue, including but not limited to the THF AoE stealing MP.

    As for the bit about "understanding," I was under the impression we were speaking from experience here. If in your experience you find that you are inefficient at managing your hate and MP, and find that you are unable to assist your team effectively in phase 2 through the use of Blizzara and AoE Sanguine Rite then that's too bad. Presuming that's the case for every THM I find funny however, given I'm able to be useful to my party and manage my MP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    THM's damage output exceeds that of a Cleric CNJ even. Sure, one can make do as such in Phase 1, but in Phase II I'd rather every ounce of each CNJ's MP be left for heals, what with the chaos that can ensue, including but not limited to the THF AoE stealing MP.

    As for the bit about "understanding," I was under the impression we were speaking from experience here. If in your experience you find that you are inefficient at managing your hate and MP, and find that you are unable to assist your team effectively in phase 2 through the use of Blizzara and AoE Sanguine Rite then that's too bad. Presuming that's the case for every THM I find funny however, given I'm able to be useful to my party and manage my MP.
    Like i said show me i see your ls @ the moogle fight plenty of times never seen a thm in your set up i wonder why. Until you show me you can hold your mp up w/o standing still and not getting hit by mobs while trying rest then i wont post gain but you havent all you keep saying using some bullshit tactics that don't work while thm is sitting there getting mp back all the other DD out parse them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firon View Post
    Like i said show me i see your ls @ the moogle fight plenty of times never seen a thm in your set up i wonder why. Until you show me you can hold your mp up w/o standing still and not getting hit by mobs while trying rest then i wont post gain but you havent all you keep saying using some bullshit tactics that don't work while thm is sitting there getting mp back all the other DD out parse them.
    lol... and how do you propose I do that? I have nothing to prove. You either go with a THM or you don't. To each his own. The point is, people are going in with a THM to almost every content at the moment. Some more than others. There are shells that bring a THM into Moogle. This just goes to show that THM isn't considered useless, and that the current MP costs are not a hindrance.

    High risk/cost > high reward. That is a THM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi View Post
    You'd be better off bringing a third con to the fight than a thm imo.
    Incorrect.

    If you think CNJ should be nuking during phase 2 you must be high.
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