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    Quote Originally Posted by Klive View Post
    I want to know what you are killing. I just ran Darkhold as THM and I solo level 52 monsters, by myself, in seconds. The skeleton room, I literally kill nearly the skeletons with ONE fire line combo and finish them off with another fire. THM are off the charts as far as damage goes. The ogre is killed before I even run out of mana, granted threat is something to be managed with him. Broke? No, unless you are referring to the awesome damage THM does.
    I know thm's are not bad with party. Try to do some lvl 5 company quests and you will see. 15min to protect one npc with lvl 52 mobs showing one after another. Not elemental friendly. Impossible to solo. A quest is intended to be solo and you can't solo, to me it's broken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    I know thm's are not bad with party. Try to do some lvl 5 company quests and you will see. 15min to protect one npc with lvl 52 mobs showing one after another. Not elemental friendly. Impossible to solo. A quest is intended to be solo and you can't solo, to me it's broken.
    this.
    quests shouldnt be endgame or instance supplements. they should be solo-small group friendly so you have things to do when not in endgame or not doing some thing of actual importance.

    the bottom line is that THM can put out some massive damage but at the cost of being a very slow paced class.
    high numbers dont always = fun. speed of service and quantity of activity very very often do.

    BTW, im noticing my CNJ has a pretty easy time keeping busy in all fields of gameplay. its much easier to solo as CNJ because there is less downtime, Good damage and much much better ways not to die lol. seems to put THM to shame.
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    15 abilities each? what is this... Kindergarten?
    A jack of all trades WHM... what is this 1989?

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    Vex Blackmarrow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    I know thm's are not bad with party. Try to do some lvl 5 company quests and you will see. 15min to protect one npc with lvl 52 mobs showing one after another. Not elemental friendly. Impossible to solo. A quest is intended to be solo and you can't solo, to me it's broken.
    No class can do the lv40 protect missions on 5 star. On PGL (probably the best solo class overall, THM has highest burst damage but lacks the endurance for leves like Pit Fighting) I cant even solo the protection missions on 5 star (I can pull off the others on 5 star rather easily) so that mission isnt a good barometer. Being able to do it on even 4 stars is hard for most classes.

    Even so, the protection leves give you time to rest between fights. You get about 60-90 secs per spawn until the end when they throw multiples at you occasionally. It should be doable on THM, If you cant blow up a lv52 mob within 60-90 secs with plenty of time to rest you must be doing something wrong. A leve like Pit Fighting requires more endurance so I could see THM struggling with that one, but not the protection ones where its boom, rest for a min, boom, repeat for 15m.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alerith View Post
    You could cast while moving, but then you took an arrow to the knee, and must stand still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klive View Post
    I want to know what you are killing. I just ran Darkhold as THM and I solo level 52 monsters, by myself, in seconds. The skeleton room, I literally kill nearly the skeletons with ONE fire line combo and finish them off with another fire. THM are off the charts as far as damage goes. The ogre is killed before I even run out of mana, granted threat is something to be managed with him. Broke? No, unless you are referring to the awesome damage THM does.
    Hi Klive (and All),

    I just wanted to chime in with my experiences in a Spiritbond Party with 2 THM last night, PUG, and myself going on Marauder (we're all Level 50).

    We went to Natalan hunting the Level ~53 Ixali (and their Wolves). Suffice to say the 2 THM were destroying the majority of the Ixali targets. I held aggro for as long as possible and then it was just total destruction with the THM blasting through everything.

    I couldn't keep up with that damage on those links now that Storm's Path is gone (and Path of the Storm is Single Target). They rested inbetween pops, but the respawn on those Ixali are super fast, and we had no MP problems.

    I'm not saying MP costs aren't high (they are), but there's something to be said about the mass damage the THM were doing last night. It was pretty amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiara View Post
    Hi Klive (and All),

    I just wanted to chime in with my experiences in a Spiritbond Party with 2 THM last night, PUG, and myself going on Marauder (we're all Level 50).

    We went to Natalan hunting the Level ~53 Ixali (and their Wolves). Suffice to say the 2 THM were destroying the majority of the Ixali targets. I held aggro for as long as possible and then it was just total destruction with the THM blasting through everything.

    I couldn't keep up with that damage on those links now that Storm's Path is gone (and Path of the Storm is Single Target). They rested inbetween pops, but the respawn on those Ixali are super fast, and we had no MP problems.

    I'm not saying MP costs aren't high (they are), but there's something to be said about the mass damage the THM were doing last night. It was pretty amazing.
    the reason why is because the ixali are only 3 levels above you and you had 2 THMs.
    try doing a leve as being 1 THM and fighting mobs 3 levels above you. its a polar opposite scenario. chaining mobs is almost non existent.
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    15 abilities each? what is this... Kindergarten?
    A jack of all trades WHM... what is this 1989?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Unless there are some uber gear to get wit. Companies or mog weapons for mages, thm is broke. Lvl 50 thm uses the whole mp to kill one single mob lvl 52! Then sit for 1-2min
    GROOOSS please tell me your exaggerating.

    i have noticed that i can only kill 1-2 groups of leve mobs (such as 1 group of 3 dodos) and then i have to rest a few mins. i hated it so a party i joined ended up PLing us for about 6 levels. made me not hate THM so much.
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    15 abilities each? what is this... Kindergarten?
    A jack of all trades WHM... what is this 1989?

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    Lower the difficulty?
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    I still think we should have the mp cost reduced during combo's but i have found out ways to make the mp consumption better.

    Thunder chain goes like this: Cast thunder > wait till combo timer reaches 2 then cast thundara( by this time you should have full mp if you waited to combo till the timer was down to 2 seconds) > Then use pars for half mp cast and mana gain, this should cut the spell to about 30% of its cost on boss mobs.
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    Its harder for us mages to balance and manage MP.
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    Last edited by DarkArchon; 12-20-2011 at 08:46 PM.

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    Dno Sensei
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    Im sorry but IMO this sounds just how its suppose to be. Every FF BLM was super high power but was soft and MP was always a problem. This is how i like my BLMs!
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