DPS classes numbers and ranking posted on reddit

[KaiSunstrider]

In turn, stuff like trick, foes, hypercharge also buff other classes pushing their damage up as well. Sooo...

Exactly. Thats what I meant by saying even if we dont look at raid buffs, we arent as low as it looks. When you look at utility, we are even higher. I think MCH needs a buff though. You guys dont have nearly the utility that bard does to make up for being behind in damage.

[KaiSunstrider]

Disembowel is a 5% Piercing Debuff, but actual damage increase is closer to 6% because of the way boss defenses work.

Yea back when the debuff was 10% it equated to a 11% damage buff.

[enil]

You also need to consider that SAM also brings the slashing debuff which, looking at current figures, honestly probably brings more raid dps than disembowel.

Wasn't this theory debunked ages ago? The rebuffs actually increase damage by x% rather than reduce resistances

[Neela]

for me it just seems that Sam fullfills Mnks HW role in SB - outstanding raw dmg but lacks in synergy/grp utility. hmm...

[poffo]

We must have parser tool in game now thats for sure

[Warlyx]

sam is 312 why? still 200 more dmg than SMN and bringing nothing to the table? , at least rdm brings 10% dmg , raise instant w/o relying on Swiftcast , mobility and some offheals

poor Drg , if numbers are right they need a little boost , and Brd/mch is expected to be 8 & 9 ...some1 has to be last /shrug

[Khel]

poor Drg , if numbers are right they need a little boost

This is what happens when you make peace with the dragons, they don't need us anymore...

[BristolRuss]

In defence of the melee classes, there is a thread in the accepted bugs section that skill speed isn't effecting auto attacks correctly like it now should.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...g-Auto-Attacks

So when they fix that melee should see higher numbers (hopes DRG is made more competitive).

[Selova]

I dont think SAM will easy find raidspots. they add nothing to other Raidmembers.

And what the heck happened to allmighty DMG-Dragoon???

I hate to break this to you, but just because a job doesn't bring raid utility doesn't mean they aren't going to be brought to raids or even have a hard time finding raid spots. Not every single job needs to bring utility, In fact i personally think it's rather boring if that is your main criteria on whether or not to bring SAM to a raid.

[Selova]

And then you die once and the whole fight fails because of missing dmg. No matter how important you think you are, I wouldn't want to be part of a raid that bets everything on one card, a Samurai.

So don't die? lol. This logic doesn't even make sense. If a DRG dies there goes your litany, NIN dies there goes your trick attack. No serious raid group is going to rely heavily on that one Samurai dps, if they are i think you have bigger problems.