We NEED Sustain back-SMN

[LordPhantomhive]

This is just about SMN pet ability sustain. We need it back. Physick, Erase or party AoE is not helping the pets survive. Also the MP cost, re-summon time(dps loss) and aggro issues, without being able to maintain our Egi's health is very frustrating. I can deal with out spur, though I miss it. But Sustain was far too useful. Either that needs to come back, or add a "regen" effect to one of the new cross class abilities that can target the Egi.

[Exodus-E]

Or adjust Physick so it scales off INT (similar to RDM's Vercure) for SMN.
That would also make it useful for others.

[PotatoTree]

I have a bunch of complaints about the new SMN, but I literally have 0 issues with losing sustain. I can see if you're soloing sure, but in any raid scenario I use it extremely rarely. How are you guys killing your pets so often? And even in soloing I just tank the mob myself and burst the enemy down like any other caster/ranged dps would do.

[Claviusnex]

I have a bunch of complaints about the new SMN, but I literally have 0 issues with losing sustain. I can see if you're soloing sure, but in any raid scenario I use it extremely rarely. How are you guys killing your pets so often? And even in soloing I just tank the mob myself and burst the enemy down like any other caster/ranged dps would do.

I've also been running into needing it in dungeons recently as a number of healers haven't been healing the pet.

[Rongway]

I've also been running into needing it in dungeons recently as a number of healers haven't been healing the pet.

What dungeons do so much damage to pets that AoE heals can't keep them alive?

[LordPhantomhive]

What dungeons do so much damage to pets that AoE heals can't keep them alive?

some nice aoe spam in Susano ex was killing garuda for me yesterday, then I had to resummon her while trying to cross line to dodge the lightning aoe again. I mean sure there were some party wide mistakes that caused more aoe on her, but it >can< happen.

[Rongway]

some nice aoe spam in Susano ex was killing garuda for me yesterday, then I had to resummon her while trying to cross line to dodge the lightning aoe again. I mean sure there were some party wide mistakes that caused more aoe on her, but it >can< happen.

What I meant by asking my question was more like...

Assume the SMN places the pet competently.
Assume the party is mechanicsing.
Assume the healers are using AoE heals at an appropriate frequency.

Given these three assumptions, does the pet survive?

If everyone's doing everything right, and the pet dies, then there's a problem. When placed properly, we should be able to maintain an expectation of pet survival just from AoE healing, because healers don't see egis on the party list, and shouldn't be expected to devote single-target heals to them.

Were a situation to be found in a dungeon where the party could do everything right, and the pet would still die, then pet adjustments should receive some elevated priority.

EX primals, though. They are about being intimately familiar with the fight. In the same way that a BLM needs to know the mechanics well enough to know how to fit a rotation into the movement demands of the fight, a SMN should know the mechanics well enough to know where and when to place a pet, and in both cases the party as a whole need to mechanics appropriately so as not to throw a wrench in anybody's plans.


So, revision to earlier question,
Assuming the pet is placed well, the party is handling mechanics properly, and the healers are using their AoE tools, what dungeons do so much damage that pets are dying?

[Steel_Arrow]

What dungeons do so much damage to pets that AoE heals can't keep them alive?

Palace of the Dead. The removal of sustain means summoner is no longer one of the viable solo classes.

I'd know - I wrote the book on it.

The tank pet couldn't even hold up against the level 60 quest mob. It's most decidedly an overnerf. They've screwed the pooch in multiple ways.

It was so pivotal that the class is no longer capable of doing content of which it previously was capable.

Your decision to never do anything but sit in the dungeon finder queue does not diminish its importance to other play styles.

[Sandpark]

Palace of the Dead. The removal of sustain means summoner is no longer one of the viable solo classes.

I'd know - I wrote the book on it.

The tank pet couldn't even hold up against the level 60 quest mob. It's most decidedly an overnerf. They've screwed the pooch in multiple ways.

It was so pivotal that the class is no longer capable of doing content of which it previously was capable.

Your decision to never do anything but sit in the dungeon finder queue does not diminish its importance to other play styles.

While agree with, they kind of screwed the pooch for all jobs by stripping consistent self heals from a majority of jobs unless they are planning on making classes better at solo like originally planned.

I doubt many jobs could solo very high into PoTD now.

[Neela]

I have a bunch of complaints about the new SMN, but I literally have 0 issues with losing sustain. I can see if you're soloing sure, but in any raid scenario I use it extremely rarely. How are you guys killing your pets so often? And even in soloing I just tank the mob myself and burst the enemy down like any other caster/ranged dps would do.

I think most of the smns were used to be way more flexible solo than others cls - the only issue with loosing sustain are overmobbing (which is also nerfed by the aoe adjustments) and solo fate boss fighting. Dunno why so many gave "leveling" as argument, it's still possible even with ruda/ifrit instead of titan.