Studying The Blade- The SAM DPS Guide

[RaizeGraymalkin]

Does anyone have the 3 Sen Opener? I wanna give that a shot.

[Lorielle]

Does anyone have the 3 Sen Opener? I wanna give that a shot.

I can't really even see this being viable since throwing out Meikyo Shisui out the gate makes you absent through Shifu and Jinpu buffs. Thus, Higanbana/Midare/Guren will suffer DPS losses as well. The only one that I even remember seeing is Shifu > Gekko > Kaiten(Higabana) > Meikyo(Hagakure) > Guren. But that ended up being lower DPS in the end.

[Allyrion]

Any info on stat weights yet?

[Nominous]

Any info on stat weights yet?

Not that I've seen anywhere, unfortunately. I know I've seen some rumblings in the other DPS communities of them coming through, but nothing for sure yet. I seem to remember there being a post on reddit in 3.0 roughly when tomes launched that involved stat weights, so maybe by the time Omega normal launches, we'll know.

[Allyrion]

Not that I've seen anywhere, unfortunately. I know I've seen some rumblings in the other DPS communities of them coming through, but nothing for sure yet. I seem to remember there being a post on reddit in 3.0 roughly when tomes launched that involved stat weights, so maybe by the time Omega normal launches, we'll know.

Yea, but back then Dervy was still on the forums and we got early iterations of the stat weights as they developed.

I just want to figure out what materia is worth getting for the Susano weapon and Lakshmi accessories. I guess I'll wait till we get more info in.

Thanks for all your work on making the guide and consolidating the information!

[Phireblast]

When messing around with my rotation, I found there was a moment where both Hagakure and Meikyo were off cooldown. When that happens, what do I do?

[Sentinillia]

When messing around with my rotation, I found there was a moment where both Hagakure and Meikyo were off cooldown. When that happens, what do I do?

It's going to depend entirely on what point you are in your rotation, how many Sen you have generated already and how much time there is between the two abilities coming off cooldown. You really only have three choices:

1) Delay your gcds with a backstep -> Enpi -> dash to line things up better
2) Blow your Meikyo, generate three Sen and Hagakure
3) Generate 3 Sen manually, Hagakure followed by Meikyo -> Kaiten -> Midare

You need to be somewhat proactive with your Sen generation and take into account how much cooldown you have left on aformentioned abilities. You also need to get out of the mindset that you can only Meikyo when you have 0 Sen available, it's completely feasible to Meikyo when you already have one or two Sen generated.

[Nominous]

When messing around with my rotation, I found there was a moment where both Hagakure and Meikyo were off cooldown. When that happens, what do I do?

If you're not going to go over 100 Kenki, you can do Meikyo Shisui to generate 3 Sen, then use Hagakure to consume them. If you're coming up around your DoT, then you want to be careful how you use Hagakure. If you use it on consuming your 3 Sen, and as a result your DoT timing gets all weird, you'll have to find a way to delay it, which might not be easy.

[Ryaz]

Nice guide. I had to figure most of this out the hard way while leveling. Nice to know how potencies compare on AoE abilities and that you don't have to use 3 sen for Hagakure to be effective. I felt like I was losing DPS at times waiting for the build up. Glad to see I can get away with having just 1 or 2 and not completely blowing my DPS.

[abzoluut]

Hakaze>Shifu>Kasha>Hakaze[Potion]>Jinpu[Kaiten]>Higanbana>Gekko[Meikyo]>Yukikaze>Kasha[Kaiten]>Midare>Kasha[Hagakure]>Hakaze[Guren]>Shifu>Kasha------ So on and so forth.
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How about this opener: Hakaze|Shifu|Kasha(Hakagure), Hakaze|Yukikaze, Hakaze|Jinpu|Kaiten/Higanbana|Gekko, Meikyo, Kasha|Gekko|Yukikaze, Kaiten/Setsugekka. Somewhere in this opener you'd do a Guren (not sure when, I'm not in game atm).

The idea behind this is that you'd have a slashing buffed Higanbana. In the opener you suggest, the first Higanbana does not benefit from the slashing buff. Not saying my opener is better or has more potency. I just want to know why we want to apply the first opener without the slashing buff on the target.