Studying The Blade- The SAM DPS Guide

[Ariyn]

You're right I don't know what he did. I went to the first one that was in sam gear and that's who I linked. I could've linked a ton more but I didn't.

Majority of people running sam right now will be melding DH > Det and there is no skill to completely drop. As I said earlier, every skill goes up in value the more you have of another. Dropping any of them completely is a terrible idea. But yes you can gear to keep your stats where you want them. It's a choice in how you gear. If you want a lot of SS then you can do it. If you don't then you can do that too.

My entire point is that all of this information has been out there for weeks. Yea people are experimenting to see what else they can come up with but that's all it is is an experiment. The SS needed to make it viable right now is unattainable this tier. The most of any 1 stat you will be able to get to is maybe 2100. You'd need over 3k SS to even start to make it even a viable option and even then it would need to be highly tested. Since FF has no real sim program all of these 'stat weights' are nothing more than people testing things out on their own and relaying their findings. None of it is set in stone.

[Allyrion]

You're right I don't know what he did. I went to the first one that was in sam gear and that's who I linked. I could've linked a ton more but I didn't.

Majority of people running sam right now will be melding DH > Det and there is no skill to completely drop. As I said earlier, every skill goes up in value the more you have of another. Dropping any of them completely is a terrible idea. But yes you can gear to keep your stats where you want them. It's a choice in how you gear. If you want a lot of SS then you can do it. If you don't then you can do that too.

My entire point is that all of this information has been out there for weeks. Yea people are experimenting to see what else they can come up with but that's all it is is an experiment. The SS needed to make it viable right now is unattainable this tier. The most of any 1 stat you will be able to get to is maybe 2100. You'd need over 3k SS to even start to make it even a viable option and even then it would need to be highly tested. Since FF has no real sim program all of these 'stat weights' are nothing more than people testing things out on their own and relaying their findings. None of it is set in stone.

I'm not disagreeing with any of that. But what are you using if not your own stat weights to consider Sks's value so low.
At 320 ilvl, Dervy gave Sks the highest value out of all sub stats. This comes with a caveat that it's only that valuable in a vacuum.
His model is the one the FF melee community has come to trust over the years and is much more advanced than the usual theorycrafter's testing/experimentation. Of course, that's not to say he's infallible but I'm more inclined to believe his math.

It's not that Sks is the best stat and it won't be the best if you destroy your other stats most likely. However, in the obtainable 320 gear perfect rotation and 100% uptime, it seems like it will come ahead of the rest. Add boss mechanics and mistakes, then maybe it's not great.

I'm just saying that dynamic is worth acknowledging. Not that ppl should stack Sks.

[Greyfrost]

Since I sparked the topic about skillspeed, I'd like to add one thing since the trend has been going on about DH is best stats, while I do believe that it currently weighs more until we can get more crit, if you stack it while ignoring the rest of your stats (SKS/crit) your DPS will plummet instead.

I tried going full DH once, the crit was on subpar percentage that it resulted in DPS loss instead, I'd say a balanced build between crit, DH and sks with favoring more DH is the best build ATM until we can get proper gears.

And I'm going skillspeed build, I currently have 1460, a bit over for 2.1gcd recast under shifu buff, I am using 1-sen kasha opener and have no problem with hagakure or the 2nd hagakure clipping people are talking about.

Tl;Dr : I do believe there has to be certain minimum of substat needed for each stats to make SAM works, this isn't something that you can pump all in.

[Ariyn]

I don't disagree with Dervy at all. I haven't been a part of any theorycrafting in FF since T5 was a thing. Quit the game and been playing others for a long time. Just came back with SB. Which is completely the reason I really never posted anything and let the rest of them come out with stuff. Just to make sure I wasn't overlooking something.

Skill speed has a ton of potential for sam. Especially when the bulk of your dmg comes from 3 things that all benefit from it; basic attack, Midare, and Shinten. But in order for that to really happen you would have to see some noticable gain in the number of abilities used. Which is why I said it wasn't really attainable in this tier. When it gets to the point we can reasonably see 3k SS, or even high 2ks, without crippling ourselves in every other stat then we can really start to look at it. Until those numbers are attainable though, the best route to go is through buffing the base damage. At 1955 DH, which is attainable this tier, you would have 50% DH. At 1503 Det, you get an flat 8% increase to all dmg. Both of these are attainable in 340 gear and is a pretty significant boost to base dmg without the RNG of crit.

I do hope that one of the theorycrafters proves me wrong though. Like I said SS has tons of potential for sam due to how they work and I look forward to seeing how things end up. My actual predictions for sam: 2nd tier we will be moving towards more of a crit based build with stats being Crit > DH > Det and 3rd tier we could possibly be looking at a skill speed build.

[Esoterikk]

So I know on OP it says So it seems for SAM, Hit > Crit > Det/SkS is the stat priority for now. But I also noticed recommending SkS melds. Im a little confused on SkS, I was under the assumption we wanted high SkS. Is there a minimum/target SkS before going So Hit > Crit > Det/SkS or is this accurate at all gear levels.

[Daioh]

Dervy is doing the math and has pointed out that Skill Speed is an odd stat on Samurai, that it could be better than Det and Crit. He mentioned before that it might be bad in V4/O4 Savage due to downtime. Also despite what he says he mentions his BiS from Sam has little Skill Speed.

So possibly: DH > SS?? > DET > CRT

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ights/dkma110/

[Nominous]

So I know on OP it says So it seems for SAM, Hit > Crit > Det/SkS is the stat priority for now. But I also noticed recommending SkS melds. Im a little confused on SkS, I was under the assumption we wanted high SkS. Is there a minimum/target SkS before going So Hit > Crit > Det/SkS or is this accurate at all gear levels.

I've been updating the front page based on the knowledge and information being passed around the community. Currently, the idea seems to be DH priorities, Det is your secondary, and as others are saying, the more you have of one stat, the higher benefit you'll see from the others. That means you shouldn't flat out ignore one, but SS is the easiest to, since you don't lose anything too drastic.

I don't know what the conversation is for the SS builds right now, but I could only imagine it's because it gives you a flat 'better' casting time on Iai, and Sen gain.

[PROBOUND]

Someone plz correct me if i'm wrong but, is SAM the only Melee class in the game currently that gets their combos cancelled when they LB?

[HoLoFoNo]

No every class that uses combos, including tanks lose their combo once they LB. The only caveat is MNK which doesn't use combos but stances which proc abilities or their effects (if you wanna be technical about it).

[PROBOUND]

Curious what kinda numbers Sams are posting in O1-4S. Anyone have any details about their experiences so far?