Clemency a bit OP?

[Agrieus]

Flat out, clemency is in no way a wasted tool. Once you and your static are comfortable with an ex or savage fight, you probably won't need clemency. But to say it's a trash ability is just complete nonsense and undermining the purpose of even having it to begin with. Hell, if clemency is a trash tier skill, then so is shield bash. Why? Because it's only useful in situations and attributes nothing to dps. Might as well throw that off the hot bar too (sarcasm).

[Reynhart]

Your damage output pretty much stops completely.

Dead tanks don't do DPS.

Hell, if clemency is a trash tier skill, then so is shield bash.

So is Steel Cyclone because it does less damage than Decimate, so is Inner Beast because it deals less damage than Fell Cleave, so is Equilibrium because it forces the WAR to be in Defiance...and so is Defiance, because it reduces your damage output

[Dizzy_Derp]

to say it's a trash ability is just complete nonsense and undermining the purpose of even having it to begin with. Hell, if clemency is a trash tier skill, then so is shield bash. Why? Because it's only useful in situations and attributes nothing to dps. Might as well throw that off the hot bar too (sarcasm).

I can't believe what I just read. Like are you seriously that misinformed or are you just trolling? I cannot tell. Shield bash IS THE MOST WORTHESS SKILL ON PLD AND IS UP THERE IN THE TOP 5 WORST ABILITYS IN THE GAME. It costs a gcd which is god awful, it's always been the worst stun on any tank and now every class has access to a role action ogcd stun (pld included) And yes I did take shield bash off my hotbar all together like every other pld that I know has because it's just that bad. So you really aren't helping your clemency argument by comparing it to shield bash.

[Faytte]

So is Steel Cyclone because it does less damage than Decimate, so is Inner Beast because it deals less damage than Fell Cleave, so is Equilibrium because it forces the WAR to be in Defiance...and so is Defiance, because it reduces your damage output

Order of magnitude. Steel Cyclone, Inner Beast still do damage. You are talking about a loss certainly but not a total loss. They also dont happen 1.5 seconds after you want them to occur as spells do. Moving in and out of defiance for a tank buster is also pretty moot, its 10 seconds of so to absorb a buster and then back to deliverance, all of it being OGCD.

[Reynhart]

Moving in and out of defiance for a tank buster is also pretty moot, its 10 seconds of so to absorb a buster and then back to deliverance, all of it being OGCD.

10 seconds of losing the damage buff from Deliverance, suffering the damage penatly of Defiance, and halving your beast gauge twice during the process...frankly, if you just need a 1200 potency heal to be thrown at you, it's better to let a PLD Clemency you than you popping Equilibrium...especially since, IIRC, Defiance only boost healing magic.