Clemency a bit OP?

[cold52]

tbk isnt a heal or supiror to it, its because tbk only lasts for 5 seconds while actual healing isnt on the clock

this means unless an enemy is dealing over the 20% within that 5sec window it isnt getting full value while pld could heal over 20% of his own hp and have that hp when he needs to take the damage, this also in turn saves the healers time to heal and allows them to do more dmg instead

honestly not sure why drk didnt get a proper self heal this expansion, tbk is nice but it certainly isnt a heal, just more mitigation.

[Dizzy_Derp]

unless you in early prog and trying to survive just to see mechanics you should NEVER EVER EVER USE CLEMANCY. its a huge dps loss and this isn't hw anymore where you healers could do half the damage you can as a tank. now in sb they are doing roughly 1/3 of the damage you can. once you learn the fight either remove clemancy from your hotbar or just act as if you did.

[Reynhart]

once you learn the fight either remove clemancy from your hotbar or just act as if you did.

Please stop posting that kind of nonsense, we don't want to be turned into Holy Spirit bot next expansion.

[Verdan]

If the paladin is too powerful, removing its support abilities isn't a good idea. I think you're probably crusin' for a reduction of your skill potency, but it would be silly to reduce the ability of the Paladin to heal and support its party. It'd be like removing bloobath on the warri-

ah shit Clemency's gonna get nerfed isn't it

[Dizzy_Derp]

Please stop posting that kind of nonsense, we don't want to be turned into Holy Spirit bot next expansion.

clemancy is really really bad.unless like i said you dont now said fight and you need to keep someone alive to learn it. but no i will not stop posting things like this. see i just started using the official forums because when i was browsing it recently i almost threw up at how misinformed 9% of the people here are. it baffles me how it is that the majority of people in here are so clueless about how this game works. so i will continue to add to discussions on here because theses are things you guys need to hear even if you dont agree or like it. back to the point though as long as clemancy is a casted ability and not an ogcd it will remain trash tier post prog.

[Tankstuff]

clemancy is really really bad.unless like i said you dont now said fight and you need to keep someone alive to learn it. but no i will not stop posting things like this. see i just started using the official forums because when i was browsing it recently i almost threw up at how misinformed 9% of the people here are. it baffles me how it is that the majority of people in here are so clueless about how this game works. so i will continue to add to discussions on here because theses are things you guys need to hear even if you dont agree or like it. back to the point though as long as clemancy is a casted ability and not an ogcd it will remain trash tier post prog.

This guy gets it. Out of all the advantages pld has over the other 2 tanks you guys are bitching about clemeny lmao no wonder tank balancing is shit in this game

[Reynhart]

clemancy is really really bad.

No, it's not. By only focusing on damage number, you just totally ignore the range of situation you have to face. I guess you'll be happy when every job will have only one attack skills and no utility at all because "it's a DPS loss..."

This guy gets it.

"This guy" has the mentality that turned WAR into what it is now. I hope you're happy...

[Tankstuff]

your highest level tank is 66, why are you even trying to argue about end game raid balance, clear a sb ex primal before you talk. Its a fact clemency is a wasted cd in high end raiding when you know the fight. Sure for prog it might be nice, but it's in no way op. And that mentality wasnt just a war mentality it was the mentality of all high end raid tanks, this game is scripted pve fights, once you know the fight and what you need to do to survive the mechanics/busters, you go for maximum dps to push phases faster and clear the fight. I cant believe in 2017, second expansion for the game people still have the mentality you do about tanking. If you want to play safe and contribute half as much as real tanks do for the pt and pat yourself on the back for it go ahead, but there is an optimal way to play, the information is out there, you can see it with the world first clears and how they do it once a fights on farm, but some people still havent caught on, its baffling.

[VargasVermillion]

I cant believe in 2017, second expansion for the game people still have the mentality you do about tanking. If you want to play safe and contribute half as much as real tanks do for the pt and pat yourself on the back for it go ahead, but there is an optimal way to play, the information is out there, you can see it with the world first clears and how they do it once a fights on farm, but some people still havent caught on, its baffling.

I'm a tank so I tank! you don't pay my sub!

[Fernosaur]

Clemency is an okay tool if you're in a dungeon and the healer dies. A PLD can carry a dead healer through a boss fight and keep everyone alive: the downside? PLD loses so much damage by doing this. By casting one Clemency, because of how it affects the Holy Spirit rotation and off-sets your combo rotations as well, you already lose quite a bit of DPS, but by spamming Clemency bc the healer is dead or whatever? Your damage output pretty much stops completely.

In comparing to the other two tanks, and for the sake of it, to how Warrior was in HW: right now, PLD has to stop everything they are doing in order to heal others or themselves. Warrior in HW kept dealing ridiculous damage, self-healing for ridiculous amounts, and lost... literally nothing for it. There's no point of comparison. Yes, PLD is extremely flexible for situations gone awry rn, but that doesn't make them OP, since Clemency is still an undesireable skill to use optimally.

If you're forced to use Clemency, it already means a lot of things have gone bad.