Dragoons... how do you feel post 4.0?

[Shamox]

So there's people taking primal logs as a relevant thing?

What about Creator savage?

[HoLoFoNo]

whatever

What's funny is that this was a duty finder pug and my average median is also higher than yours despite getting both stuns while you got none. Your median is bad. Your highest parse has 6% less balance uptime the mine, your Lakshimi was padded so you should be careful when calling the kettle black ecks dee.

It was 90th percentile when I made the point, it went up with the addition of lakshimi. My point still stands, your statement was false.

[HoLoFoNo]

So there's people taking primal logs as a relevant thing?

What about Creator savage?

That has nothing to do with the 4.0 class balance, and many people changed mains so creator isn't relevant in this discussion. Until omega savage is out it is the only metric to judge class performance by.

[Shamox]

They are relevant.
But yeah, if you think doing some orange thing on some primal ex makes you relevant enough to tell who's bad and who's not, maybe you should stop right here.

[Maxwell]

Not a big fan or parses as a comparison tool. Innacurate parser, parse doctoring, padding, dependency on: team comp and skill, assigned team mechanics, luck... Its all right for a rough estimate, but not for a clear cut ranking IMO. Static dummy parse is interesting to work on your rotation, but that goes out the window under raid conditions

[HoLoFoNo]

Data is data. If you say something that is proven otherwise with data then yes it is a metric to use.

I never said Orange on ex primals makes you good, but purple makes you average. If you claim that you're gonna outdps the average SAM while In purple as a drg then you are full of shit. That is where this conversation started.

[Shamox]

I'm not part of your stupid debate about 75%SAM outdpsing 95%DRG, you're not supposed to compare class to class anyway.

What triggers me is people calling out other people on their logs while they arent better.

Now if we could go back to the original subject and keep proposing solutions that would either make DRG overpowered or not good enough to beat SAM resulting in DRG being left over out of the meta.
(Let's be honest, you can't beat NIN).

[Galvuu]

Not a big fan or parses as a comparison tool. Innacurate parser, parse doctoring, padding, dependency on: team comp and skill, assigned team mechanics, luck... Its all right for a rough estimate, but not for a clear cut ranking IMO. Static dummy parse is interesting to work on your rotation, but that goes out the window under raid conditions

I mean... the parser is very accurate. Sure, from time to time you get like a <1% difference... and you can filter out most padding now. You can also use the parses to estimate the raid dps contribution of some jobs, which make them even more valuable.
Sure, it's not perfect, but it's actually a pretty darn good source of information, and we have absolutely no alternative whatsoever anyway.

[Maxwell]

Dont get me wrong. I do agree with the heart of your argument from your reply but, citation needed on:

I mean... the parser is very accurate. Sure, from time to time you get like a <1% difference... and you can filter out most padding now.

And it still does not account for mechanic and team comp padding or selective parse uploads. I'm not saying toss parses away. I'm simply stating i'm not a fan of it and i think too many people take it as gospel and single out people without proper control of all variables.

[HoLoFoNo]

I'm not part of your stupid debate about 75%SAM outdpsing 95%DRG, you're not supposed to compare class to class anyway.

What triggers me is people calling out other people on their logs while they arent better.

Now if we could go back to the original subject and keep proposing solutions that would either make DRG overpowered or not good enough to beat SAM resulting in DRG being left over out of the meta.
(Let's be honest, you can't beat NIN).

Don't be stupid. Everything about performance is relative, of course you are supposed to be comparing class to class especially within the same role. There would be no problem with the performance if other classes weren't there to compare with.

I can use someone else logs to call them out because I wasn't the one talking shit about people wanting DRG to improve while saying 'And yes it's high risk low reward even if no one plays it. It's within the design of the class. That's how it is. And I will take dragoon to content and will gladly wipe the floor with the average samurai and work my way throught everything the game throws at my face.' If you say agree that statement makes sense and is fine, then you are out of your mind.