Dragoons... how do you feel post 4.0?

[LordMaitreya]

Has an ok opener but the sustained looks a bit weak compared to other classes. I'd say DRG numbers are at the bottom now (only higher than MCH, BRD and maybe SMN).

You got some numbers on paper to back that up or is it just feelings?

[Gallus]

You got some numbers on paper to back that up or is it just feelings?

Feelings mostly... I don't have actual data, but I have DRG at 70 and I've been practising the rotation for days now, as well as playing dungeons with it. I have a very hard time keeping up with ninjas or blms, and I'm completely trashed by good red mages. Samurais...as ironic as this may sound I haven't come across many, and monks do not seem to exist, so I don't know how DRG compares to those 2.
It might sound like I'm not playing DRG properly, and while I'm sure there are a few things I could do to squeeze in a bit more damage, I've been lots of hours in the dummy and I know my kit pretty well.

Also, dragon sight is very inconvenient. As someone else mentioned, you should be able to just cast it and let it buff the nearest player.

[caponesavage]

In a perfect dungeon run i find goon to be quite decent. My only issue as some mentioned is Dragons Eye stacks. Not on boss fights mind you but during the trash mobs. Optimally there would be no break between mob pulls allowing you to constantly refresh BotD and keeping any Dragon Eyes you might have gotten from Mirage Dives during those pulls. Sadly this hardly happens even when using BotD and adding 15 seconds again to keep the timer going sometimes isnt enough. Considering that Geirskogul and Nastrond are straight line aoe it would be nice to be able to use it on mobs as well as during boss fights.

[Tharne]

In a perfect dungeon run i find goon to be quite decent. My only issue as some mentioned is Dragons Eye stacks. Not on boss fights mind you but during the trash mobs. Optimally there would be no break between mob pulls allowing you to constantly refresh BotD and keeping any Dragon Eyes you might have gotten from Mirage Dives during those pulls. Sadly this hardly happens even when using BotD and adding 15 seconds again to keep the timer going sometimes isnt enough. Considering that Geirskogul and Nastrond are straight line aoe it would be nice to be able to use it on mobs as well as during boss fights.

And when you AoE you can't really keep BotD up anyway. Maybe they could make Sonic Thrust add 5sec to BotD, that way you don't gain a lot of time but it will not fall off either.

[Matheus]

Overall I like the new stuff, rotation feels smooth, Mirage Dive is cool, it is more damage bonus on a jump than Power Surge is, and it works on every jump skill that isn't DFD.

My two bones to pick with the class are Dragon sight, which needs to be microed to be even useable, and it still fails sometimes and LotD which feels lackluster. Nastrond is a good skill, but getting only the nastrond as a reward for getting in LotD doesn't feel enough for all the time that it takes to build it up. Would be great to have a minor damage buff during it, or have it buff FC or WT or something among these lines to make it more rewarding, and make it so DRG isn't the weakest melee DPS damage-wise.

[Kiyosuki]

I've gotten into arguments about it, but I do like the idea they're going towards with making Dragoon sort of a supportive DPS that helps the damage of the party overall as much as their own. However, the Life of the Dragon mechanic lacks impact, which I think really drags the feel of the job down. Dealing with a meter that constantly drains should net you something more satisfying than a slightly stronger Geirksogul.

[Gailo_P]

Yes those are the only two that trigger dive ready

[Erys]

Guys you are still forgetting that you can use BotD (the cd) to keep your eyes up.

If a fight like susano or last msq has an add phase, the sword and the mini dragons in this case; you just pop BotD when you have 1 second on the counter and this will make you 15s often allowing you to either refresh when you hit the adds (mini dragons) or go directly into Nastrond (the sword).

Actually the sword phase is great for dragoon because you use your eye stacks from phase 1 and allow to build 3 eyes and both jump and SSD are up before susano comes back and you can perform a 3 Nastrond opener. It's not that hard, just inconvenient.

[caponesavage]

Guys you are still forgetting that you can use BotD (the cd) to keep your eyes up.

If a fight like susano or last msq has an add phase, the sword and the mini dragons in this case; you just pop BotD when you have 1 second on the counter and this will make you 15s often allowing you to either refresh when you hit the adds (mini dragons) or go directly into Nastrond (the sword).

Actually the sword phase is great for dragoon because you use your eye stacks from phase 1 and allow to build 3 eyes and both jump and SSD are up before susano comes back and you can perform a 3 Nastrond opener. It's not that hard, just inconvenient.

In a perfect world this would work but we all know people waste time during mob pulls and you can only use BotD but so much.

[wdeschain]

Doesn\\'t both Jump and SSD trigger Dive Ready?

Hi. Yes. You're correct. My problem was figuring out what even proc'd Dive Ready. I am on PS4, and no where in the Tool Tip does it state that it procs Dive Ready. I had to look at SE's job guide online to learn. I thought I was going to lose my mind after reading each Tool Tip umpteen times. o_O