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    Player
    Shamox's Avatar
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    Ya or they'd just put Lotd to 30sc maximum if it's too strong.

    Right now it's just yeah, you're on susano and you're waiting for your timer to drop to 1 to refresh with Botd, this has nothing to do with skill or anything, it's just boring.
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    Shamox's Avatar
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    I'm still gonna wait solid data for dps comparision, only numbers I've seen so far had no back up.

    Yet, yeah, depending on what they're gonna do to balance the whole thing I might switch class.
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    Erys's Avatar
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    Erys Shir'en
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    Zodiark
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    Dragoon Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Shamox View Post
    I'm still gonna wait solid data for dps comparision, only numbers I've seen so far had no back up.

    Yet, yeah, depending on what they're gonna do to balance the whole thing I might switch class.
    Yes this is the wiser thing to do towards the dps issue but you can always see how dragoon does against samurai on SSS. I scored 7s left on the dummy with i310, whole left side i310 with Susano wep, i310 earring bracelet and ring and i300 necklace and ring. That'd be 3537.58dps according to the calculator and I DID NOT use Dragon Sight, because I don't remember where to buy Ghysal greens x'D
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    knotwrite's Avatar
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    Jin Kaze
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    Sargatanas
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    Dragoon Lv 70
    Does anyone know if there are accurate stat weights out yet? I'ma little wary of replacing any more of my left side with 310 gear when the dungeon pieces I have have crit and the pieces I'm replacing them with don't (and have more skill speed, to boot). It's getting pretty hard to double weave as it is, but SE seems determined to just shower us in skill speed.
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    Seraphus Highwynn
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    Gilgamesh
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    Lancer Lv 100
    One thing that bothers the HELL out of me is that in the FFXIV Stormblood Job Actions Trailer, the DRG activated BotD and pulled with Spineshatter Dive, did a Mirage Dive, then a Jump, then another Mirage Dive, then used Geirskogul and BAM entered LotD. This caused speculation that BoTD gave a free Eye, and Geirskogul gave a 4th eye and that LotD activated automatically upon the 4th eye opening. THen we found out later you need to acquire 4 eyes from 4 Mirage Dives and then activate with Geirskogul. Still, I wonder if the DRG in the trailer was using a debug mode, or maybe it was an earlier build. Either the early build only required 2 eyes, or the earlier build allowed you to save eyes even when BotD falls off.


    They could also make it that activating BotD while BotD is already on gives you a free eye, that would be awesome as its on a 30s timer. Think of it like a free "Meditation" like for MNK. Maybe only gives a free eye outside of battle?
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    Applecrisp92's Avatar
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    Viserion Velstadt
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dragoon Lv 60
    Well, 3.X dragoon was leagues better than this sorry excuse of what was supposed to be dragoon....I mean 70 seconds to build up life of the dragon is a killer and much more of a chore than ever before..not to mention you can forget about doing good damage seeing as we are officially hitting like a wet sponge.I'm hurt and pretty mad with some of the changes we swap out good damage for quality of life changes,I'm sorry but they need to seriously do some class rebalancing...but from all I have seen I struggle just to keep up with ninja seeing as samurai is ridiculously overpowered..not saying I don't want to try samurai but it has left me with feeling kind of bitter towards that class seeing as it got the royal treatment leaving other classes in horrible states....and poor monks...I hope they do rebalancing soon because this is just upsetting :/ dragoon by no means was the best melee but they could at least keep up with other classes in terms of output....now I just feel useless T^T
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    Liza Sol
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    Twintania
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    Culinarian Lv 70
    DRG is so punishing when you have high dps in groups. The second the boss can't be hit anymore is when I have life of the dragon ready. It's silly. Either buff the sight for less cooldown or more %. Make the eyes activate on 3 instead of 4. Idk and also the range on sight is stupidly low.
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    Seraphus Highwynn
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    Trying to maintain eyes between pulls is extremely nerve-wracking. The only time I really ever get to see or use Life of the Dragon/Nastrond is on bosses usually, which is sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    Trying to maintain eyes between pulls is extremely nerve-wracking. The only time I really ever get to see or use Life of the Dragon/Nastrond is on bosses usually, which is sad.
    Or when bosses are gone when you can actually use it lol
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    Shamox's Avatar
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    Eagle Master
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    Moogle
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    Ninja Lv 70
    What you guys don't understand is:
    Losing Lotd on a boss isnt gonna make you lose as much dps as you seems to think.
    Actual problem with the DRG isnt here.

    Ya don't even know what's the problem yet you want it to get solved?


    We'd need to get back disembowel to 10%, a mirage dive that we can double weave, an extra 5% on B4B would be great tbh.
    Incrising dragon sight range is kinda useless, it'll still be small af and whenever you're in a duo melee the guy should have no problem sticking yo ass.
    Although gettings its cooldown to 80sc just like B4B could really do the trick.

    Tbh, after testing a bit, I clearly do 10% less crits, which is a lot, same thing happened once HW came out, you can't reach the cap with the actual stuff.
    We might get some surprise coming with the theorycrafting in that case, crit would not be the thing anymore (for now).


    tl;dr: Actual DRG dps is 95% based on your rotation, do it well and you'll have almost everything, Lotd is clearly not what you relate on to do what you can do right now, getting it to come sooner would actually make it irrelevant due to non-alignement with B4B, problems comes from the loss of crit and phleb, we'd need more dps coming from either our rotation/ or our timer such as B4B or Dragon sight, ajusting some potencies could do the trick too.
    Getting a good dps is way easier that it has ever been, optimization on the other hand is clearly harder than before, don't make it easier it's good the way it is.
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    Last edited by Shamox; 06-24-2017 at 07:02 PM.

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