Thread: Dragoons... how do you feel post 4.0?

I wouldn't mind if they made PVE DRG like PVP DRG. For those who are unaware, PVP DRG plays like this:

Dragoon has two combos:
1. TT-VT-FT-FC
2. ID-Dis-CT-WT

The 4th hit in either combo grant TWO eyes. So after 1 full rotation of both combos, you use GK to enter LotD. During LotD you have 30 seconds to use Nastrond, and upon using it, you fall back in BotD. So it's sort of like a Foul, you get one shot of it, BUT you can do it once every rotation instead of 2-3x every 80 seconds. They could make DRG like this, and just make Mirage Dive a regular oGCD with a normal timer instead of this proc BS. Gating our stance behind the accrual of eyes from 2 separate OTHER oGCDs that move us around or may not be usable during certain phases is cumbersome. Then they could make Lance Mastery do something else like make FC or WT 400 potency instead of giving us a 5th.

Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

I wouldn't mind if they made PVE DRG like PVP DRG. For those who are unaware, PVP DRG plays like this:

Dragoon has two combos:
1. TT-VT-FT-FC
2. ID-Dis-CT-WT

The 4th hit in either combo grant TWO eyes. So after 1 full rotation of both combos, you use GK to enter LotD. During LotD you have 30 seconds to use Nastrond, and upon using it, you fall back in BotD. So it's sort of like a Foul, you get one shot of it, BUT you can do it once every rotation instead of 2-3x every 80 seconds. They could make DRG like this, and just make Mirage Dive a regular oGCD with a normal timer instead of this proc BS. Gating our stance behind the accrual of eyes from 2 separate OTHER oGCDs that move us around or may not be usable during certain phases is cumbersome. Then they could make Lance Mastery do something else like make FC or WT 400 potency instead of giving us a 5th.

Yes, I actually enjoy PVP DRG very much and would not mind at all if PVE DRG worked like this.

I think eyes are still based off jumps, but jumps are high damage low cooldown moves in PVP.

I haven't had any issues with BotD falling off since the change and the potency buffs have got me putting out competitive DPS.

V1S is perfect for DRG right now because of how often we can elusive jump, although I have gotten myself into trouble using Jump/SSD during a knockback and finding myself in a very awkward position on the ice.

V2S is a bit annoying with how much movement and downtime there can be, but it's not too hard to just pop BotD and fill that timer up before -100G to be safe.

Haven't gotten to V3S yet, but I'm sure we'll perform adequately.

All in all, I'm pleased with DRG at the moment. It's certainly not perfect, but the potency buffs and the plethora of QoL changes have certainly added up to make my experience better.

Originally Posted by knotwrite

I haven't had any issues with BotD falling off since the change and the potency buffs have got me putting out competitive DPS.

V1S is perfect for DRG right now because of how often we can elusive jump, although I have gotten myself into trouble using Jump/SSD during a knockback and finding myself in a very awkward position on the ice.

I agree, V1S is really fun with how often I can use Elusive jump to my advantage. Fight itself is just great for DRG with no traps or real phase transitions. I'm having tons of uptime, no BotD fall off, and constant 3 nastronds. \o/

How interesting is the 4.0 DRG rotation? Is it proc-based? Cooldown-based? Buff-based?

Originally Posted by HappyHubris

How interesting is the 4.0 DRG rotation? Is it proc-based? Cooldown-based? Buff-based?

1-2-3-4-5 repeat. Fit as many oGcds in as you can. In a nutshell.

Originally Posted by Gravton

1-2-3-4-5 repeat. Fit as many oGcds in as you can. In a nutshell.

So sort of like BRD in 3.X?

Originally Posted by HappyHubris

So sort of like BRD in 3.X?

Not particularly. Bard 3.x would weave in a stance-drop for 1-2 extra autos about once very 18 seconds, and its rotation was more like 2-4-5-1-1-1-2-1-1-3-1-1-1-1-2-1-3-2-1-1-1-2-1-1-3, using 2 only on procs, unless getting none for before 3, or saving for double-weave or movement, with the occasional weaker 6 (Feint, far more useful for Bard than Dragoon) just to allow double-weaving, generally to maintain CD sync.

Dragoon at 58-63 is now 1-2-3-4-5, 6-7-8-9, 6-7-8-9; repeat.
At 64+ it is now 1-2-3-4-5-6, 7-8-9-10-5; repeat.