Thread: Dragoons... how do you feel post 4.0?

I think the fundamental problem with Dragoon is basing its eye procs solely around its Jumps. Both are on too long a cooldown for Nastrond to the core mechanic. This problem doesn't exist in PvP where your Jumps are on an extremely short cooldown and simply take TP. So a possible solution might be allowing us to generate an eye per completion of our five GCD combo. As for low damage, my additional changes would be:

Blood of the Dragoon
*If used during Life of the Dragoon, will immediately refresh it for 20s*

This allows us to potentially save LotD during a phase transition. I also find it rather cumbersome BotD no longer does anything if you maintain proper uptime.

Geirskogul
Potency increased to 250; recast time reduced to 25s

Originally Posted by AzureKoi

If stuff like this is already happening, then there is already toxicity being created in the community as a result of DRG's current state. Whether or not it's subjective, people are already seeing DRG as undesirable, time will tell if this will spill over to DRG being barred from entering meta compositions or savage parties in general. Didn't realize the situation had become so dire.

I have faith though, even if it's hard. I rode with DRG through all the BS from 2.x til now. I will say the current SB DRG is probably the worst DRG has been (worse than Impulse Drive and Heavy Thrust requiring a positional to function back in 2.x) but we just gotta ride this one out too.

Granted being excluded from a hunt party is a special kind of stupid, but that being said I am seeing an increasing amount of PF groups for ex primals exluding DRG from their required dps slots. It's definitely a bad situation and I agree that given the state of a lot of the other jobs in comparison, this is probably the worst things have ever been for the class.

Originally Posted by Riotpersona

I am seeing an increasing amount of PF groups for ex primals exluding DRG from their required dps slots.

I can sorta understand this. Lakshmi we do horrible on. The amount of times she turns for abilities, the times she runs to center, getting the + ability cast on you so you can't move to postinal, the confuse aoe. It destroys our DPS. Being beaten by the BRD is a nose breaker. We're much more competitve on Susano thankfully but that still has it's problems.

Really horrible rotation design that requires you on the boss 24/7 does not work with giving bosses actual mechanics.

Hmm something that's also slightly annoying me about DRG is how BoTD pretty much becomes "useless" once you're into you use it once.
It could have an added effect to fix one of Dragoon's current problems.

Maybe make it give us an eye when we already have BoTD up. Would fix the long buildup for a mediocre reward. Would make losing BoTD during downtime less problematic coz it's easier to get them back & would make it more of a useful skill once we already have it up.

I hadn't seen this thread yet when I typed up my critique of Dragoon here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...%28Feedback%29
I don't know if it's possible to refit my post into a reply to this thread, so I'll leave up my post and link it here. If anybody knows how to add my post in a reply here, let me know and I'll delete my thread.

Originally Posted by IchiExorz

Hmm something that's also slightly annoying me about DRG is how BoTD pretty much becomes "useless" once you're into you use it once.
It could have an added effect to fix one of Dragoon's current problems.

Maybe make it give us an eye when we already have BoTD up. Would fix the long buildup for a mediocre reward. Would make losing BoTD during downtime less problematic coz it's easier to get them back & would make it more of a useful skill once we already have it up.

I suggested this as well to get past the absurd wind up time for LotD while giving our skill a use for min maxing and rotational optimization

I also feels like LoTD should interact with our old skills a bit more. Because honestly, all it does is buff our Geirskogul.

In general LoTD doesn't feel rewarding or satisfying enough at all, especially considering the amount of time we spend building it up.

It needs to be changed in both making it faster to build up & making it a bit more rewarding to do so.
But not too much or DRG would get too strong.

Increasing damage of jumps by 30% in LotD would be more than enough. It would just give us back power surge essentially

Originally Posted by Vincent_Mateus

Increasing damage of jumps by 30% in LotD would be more than enough. It would just give us back power surge essentially

BoTD already increases jump damage. Would be a bit uninteresting to have the 2 do the same.

Maybe entering LoTD should reset Jump & Spineshatter Dive cooldowns.
That way we can get 2/3 eyes by the time LoTD ends.

That together with making us able to refresh BoTD while out of combat would allow us to keep up LoTD about half of the time and LoTD would be a better more potent burst window.

Originally Posted by Vincent_Mateus

Increasing damage of jumps by 30% in LotD would be more than enough. It would just give us back power surge essentially

You have powersurge in the form of jumps being buffed and spineshatter being buffed. And an extra almost 100% damage with mirage dive.
But yeah, LotD giving more jump damage? Yes please. And if it changes the animation to be more edgy and powerful looking all the better. Or LotD could reset DfD cd, and increase its damage by 30% and make it a 25s cd, so you'd use Dragonfire dive 2 times within LotD for a whooping-not whooping 390 potency each.