Thread: Dragoons... how do you feel post 4.0?

Originally Posted by SunnyHirose

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Oh no I completely agree, the fact that nastrond and GSK are AoE hurts the abilities more than benefits (as I am like 90% sure this is how the devs justify their mediocre potencies).

To be completely honest, and this isn't a popular opinion but I enjoy the eye system despite the fact that there are glaring flaws that I wont deny exists purely because it actually rewards critical thinking. What I don't like is that DRG is so weak. Call me an elitist but if DRG remained completely the same but had comparable ceilings to the other melee dps then I would be 100% ok with that. I don't speak for everyone but I like playing DRG and most likely if not for parsers I wouldn't have an issue. That being said Nastrond needs a significant buff. Just make it like Guren and drop off damage for extra targets while making the main target take max damage.

I had an idea to make it more of a fun ability but it probably wouldn't be good in execution: Nastrond does 320 Potency + the duration left on LotD x10 on the first target and etc. This would make a max duration nastrond 620 potency and if it is done asap, it would be 520 and 420 (optimal conditions, not accounting for any server delay shit) but that would just be a gimmicky way of making it around 500 potency. This is around a 50% increase in damage which is huge, probably overpowered as nastrond is currently roughly 4% damage in a fight with near maximum usage (Susano, you only really lose one but on Lak you lose BotD completely along with any eyes) and that equated to about 90k damage based on that run (should probably average them out but this is from a 98 percentile run) so with this buff it would add about 50k damage accounting for the increase in Dhit and Chit damage and added multipliers from all the other shiz).

This is sneezed on tissue paper math so I anyone wants to go in more detail feel free. That being said I do feel that nastrond isn't the only thing that is weak so if they do buff its damage they want to make it well rounded.

Originally Posted by HoLoFoNo

To be completely honest, and this isn't a popular opinion but I enjoy the eye system despite the fact that there are glaring flaws that I wont deny exists purely because it actually rewards critical thinking. What I don't like is that DRG is so weak. Call me an elitist but if DRG remained completely the same but had comparable ceilings to the other melee dps then I would be 100% ok with that.
I had an idea to make it more of a fun ability but it probably wouldn't be good in execution: cool damage based on duration idea

I 100% agree with you and your idea is stupid good. I'd like to play that. Also wouldn't hurt to have F&C and WT buffed since they make up 19% of our damage, on par with our autoattack. And they are pretty much our only weapon skills not buffed to account for disembowel and bfb nerf.

Originally Posted by Erys

I 100% agree with you and your idea is stupid good. I'd like to play that. Also wouldn't hurt to have F&C and WT buffed since they make up 19% of our damage, on par with our autoattack. And they are pretty much our only weapon skills not buffed to account for disembowel and bfb nerf.

Indeed, considering they are positionals aswell and the fucking bosses love to spin they could stand to gain like 50 more potency. 290/320 potency isn't bad but we do them very often.

How about some buffs to drg @SE?
I mean, I main ninja atm and i feel like ninja should be the lowest melee dps, yet drg is way behind LOL... but for what reason? How is SE even justifying drg being so far behind? You guys playtested the class?
Balance the game out. Buff drg and nerf Sam slightly (kaiten down to ~30%).

This would be my proposed changes:
- Disembowel back to 10%
- Keep the eyes if BOTD falls (polyglot stack from BLM, anyone?)
- Dragon fire dive gives dive ready
- Dragon Sight same cooldown as B4B
- Battle Litany 120s from 180s. Really, every other major buff is on a much lower cool down than this. There's no justification.

Yeah that is simple and doesn't fuck with the class too much. I personally think that as our shiny level 70 ability Nastrond should be much stronger as it contributes less than mirage dive which is just a resource for our eyes and dragon sight should be 15% and 10% to make it like the old BfB coupled with the same timer or if they absolutely insist on making DRG the support melee (which I hope the reconsider) just make it 10% and 15% so it buffs the other person more than the DRG.

Originally Posted by Haaki

This would be my proposed changes:
- Disembowel back to 10%
- Keep the eyes if BOTD falls (polyglot stack from BLM, anyone?)
- Dragon fire dive gives dive ready
- Dragon Sight same cooldown as B4B
- Battle Litany 120s from 180s. Really, every other major buff is on a much lower cool down than this. There's no justification.

I think this pretty much fixes the job! I would increase range slightly on Dragon Sight to 10y but other than that, this is spot on!

Originally Posted by Haaki

This would be my proposed changes:
- Disembowel back to 10%
- Keep the eyes if BOTD falls (polyglot stack from BLM, anyone?)
- Dragon fire dive gives dive ready
- Dragon Sight same cooldown as B4B
- Battle Litany 120s from 180s. Really, every other major buff is on a much lower cool down than this. There's no justification.

I'll third this and would like to add that they better distribute the stats on our gear. We don't want skill speed, they gave it to us on almost every piece.