Feedback on 4.0 Scholar

**Nikraaa** · 06-22-2017 06:44 AM

I'm playing scholar since 2.0 released, and to be honest I'm not as disappointed as everyone seems to be.

All our new skills are "niche" skills, just like in heavensward imo but that's what happens when the 2.0 toolkit from scholar was already that strong.

My main struggles right now are:

-dots potency: they are far too low, it's unbelievable that whm has better dots and a stronger nukes (not even speaking of AoE since in fights that really matter the aoe part is usually very small but our aoe sucks ofc).

-adloquium: Right now, adlo's potency is far too low, I'm at max gear for now and an adlo is barely 6k, which is really small compared to 40k cleaves boss can do. I'd like to see a change like this : 450 base potency and crit effect 150% instead of 200% which would allow us to get more reliable shields without making the crit mechanic too op.

-make the fairy scale on our gear cause she clearly is not.

I have been doing pug susano/lakshmi so far and seen no trouble in MP management even with deaths, I find it even easier than before. Also I kinda disagree about Selene, right now she feels like the superior fairy to me.

Overall I don't dislike the new skills or how the scholar plays right now, I just think buffing some potencies is necessary

**Emeke** · 06-22-2017 07:10 AM

Sch was the only healing class I enjoyed. Now I hate it. With the issues to que times and the sparce amount of healers compared to dps you would think they wouldn't alter one of three healers to be undesirable. Everyone was so worried about White Mage...

**Elladie** · 06-22-2017 07:48 AM

I just reached 70 on SCH, and I am usually nervous about sticking my head above the parapet, especially with salt that goes around here, but I am thoroughly enjoying it. I love Excogitation, only have to keep half of an eye on my tank while that's up because of the free lustrate. Roused WD is still pretty good for most trash - with the proviso that some trash has moved upmarket, so suddenly plummeting HP is definitely a thing. I also enjoy that i have to manage my MP and AF stacks now, think about what's coming. Can i blow an Energy drain, should i keep it because there's a big AOE coming and I'll need Indom? Oh, but the timer's up, wheee! Haven't had chance to try Fey Union yet because bedtime - yeah, i know, I'm typing not sleeping - but it sounds potent on paper. So I'll see how that goes. But Largesse/Indomitability in Lakshmi & everyone on full HP makes me feel like I'm suddenly a White Mage lol. Also loving the feeling of party synergy there is now and not just with my co-healer

**LegoTechnic** · 06-22-2017 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Elladie

But Largesse/Indomitability in Lakshmi & everyone on full HP makes me feel like I'm suddenly a White Mage lol. Also loving the feeling of party synergy there is now and not just with my co-healer

Just out of curiosity, you know Largesse doesn't have an effect on Indomitability, right? It works well with Emergency Tactics->Succor, though.

Lustrate, Indom, Excogitation, and fairy abilities are all independent of Largesse, which only effects Physick, Adloquium, and Succor.

**Violet_Magenta** · 06-22-2017 10:24 AM

Just a quick reply to those saying they love the new scholar...

Please try whm or ast. I remember while levelling my ast in dungeons, I would actually get into a bad habit of not checking my mp - even when spamming gravity/ combust / malefic / benefic II etc. The reduce mp costs was very noticeable in comparison to sch and I had the luxury of always having mp. Earthly star is a fun little mechanic - costs no mp for 60s (big heals and dps). It is usually up for all add pulls, because the skill activiates itself after 20s it can sometimes be a guessing game as to when best to place it in boss fights for maximum reward - but the extra dps is still worth it. you can actually spam gravity while its up and if the tank drops you can activate for the heal and the dps. I also don't think the 200 (dps) potency scales on this skill like with bane/gravity/holy.

Scholar can get through the content (just like the 3.0 ast could have - actually did the HW story with the pre-buffed ast) and to be honest I am sensing a pattern here - it's like SE is deliberately "over-nerfing" or erring too much on the side of caution so they can get feedback from the community and then adjust...

Scholar can heal, and it has tools to dps etc just like the other healers BUT the other healers can just do it better right now. Scholar definitely has mp management issues - I feel if you have not had mp issues then please tell me what you are doing?

I really think scholar is stuck between a rock and a hard place right now - it doesn't have the potencies to really be considered the main healer (it also doesn't have the regens of whm/ast outside of the fairy (embrace) /whispering dawn). It may have some tools to be an off healer, but these tools seem very fragmented and due to the mp issues you are actually punished for dpsing.

The fact that the fairy heals less now at level 70 while everyone has more hp than what it did at level 60 in HW I find really problematic. They nerfed the fairy in HW and I felt that was the correct balance. Sadly I think it's scholars turn to be left out of (raid) parties - whm and ast had their turns...

**Zac_Lionheart** · 06-23-2017 03:54 AM

thank you for opening my eyes. you are absolutely correct. wow that is disappointing to say the least

**Zac_Lionheart** · 06-23-2017 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by LegoTechnic

Just out of curiosity, you know Largesse doesn't have an effect on Indomitability, right? It works well with Emergency Tactics->Succor, though.

Lustrate, Indom, Excogitation, and fairy abilities are all independent of Largesse, which only effects Physick, Adloquium, and Succor.

WOW thank you for opening up my eyes to this inconsistency. i am not more distraught.

**Verrin** · 06-22-2017 07:49 AM

the issue is there is now nothing you can do that isnt done better by AST or WHM & done easier do too better MP efficiency

**VallariaEllethwen** · 06-22-2017 10:13 AM

-Revert the changes to Bane, so it operates back under the -10% for the second, -20% for the third, -30% for the fourth, -40% for the fifth, -50% for the remainder. Make Bane cost Mp even if it's major like 1.5k-3.5k Mp cost or something, give Bane a longer cooldown, make it cost two Aetherflow instead of one in order to revert it's damage nerf. Increase the potency on Gravity and Holy from 200 to 250-300 if that would help even out reverting Bane and/or prevent dungeons from allowing you to speed run and mass pull by having walls block you until you kill 2-5 enemies and then the path clears.

**VallariaEllethwen** · 06-22-2017 10:14 AM

- Revert the Mp restored by Aetherflow to 20% (Remove Scholar's ability to take Lucid Dreaming and remove the trait Quickened Aetherflow. Even make Aetherflow a 70 second recast instead of sixty if that's what it takes to revert it's Mp restore.)

-Revert the change of Shadow Flare back to a GCD. Even if you lower the potency or duration of Shadow Flare, or even both in order to bring it back to GCD I'm fine with that even if it costs more Mp than before as well

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