Good King Moggle Mog XII DOWN!

[Agate]

Ban people for the reset "exploit?" You're either a l33tist, upset that you haven't won yet, or just stupid if you say that. Considering everything wrong with the game, and the 30 minute timer on that fight, raise resetting is hardly an exploit. It still takes skill to win either way. Ask all the groups who are doing it but can't win, just so they can rush to say how cool they are when they finally do. And to BG and the rest, congrats. You took the hard road and won while some of us may take a little bit longer to do the same, but don't try to discredit my group and others for doing it differently and using an easier method than you. There's nothing great about your achievements either and half the people who play these games can do the same if you give them the chance.

[Celeras]

Ban people for the reset "exploit?" It still takes skill to win either way.

Not that I care about this conversation, but no. It doesn't.

[TheFatHousecat]

Ban people for the reset "exploit?" You're either a l33tist, upset that you haven't won yet, or just stupid if you say that. Considering everything wrong with the game, and the 30 minute timer on that fight, raise resetting is hardly an exploit. It still takes skill to win either way. Ask all the groups who are doing it but can't win, just so they can rush to say how cool they are when they finally do. And to BG and the rest, congrats. You took the hard road and won while some of us may take a little bit longer to do the same, but don't try to discredit my group and others for doing it differently and using an easier method than you. There's nothing great about your achievements either and half the people who play these games can do the same if you give them the chance.

I beg to differ, raise-resetting makes the fight SO ridiculously easy, I can't imagine why you'd think that it wasn't an exploit. You're basically starting the fight completely fresh, with only a couple adds and the King to bring down. I can say without any hesitation that it takes absolutely no skill whatsoever to raise-reset the fight. This isn't an easier method, it's an exploit, accept it for what it is.

Just as Ifrit wasn't meant to be stunned using Wrist Flick, this fight wasn't meant to be exploitable through a raise-reset. I don't know how the battle designer could have overlooked this loophole, but I absolutely hope that they notice it and ban the people who used it, strip them of their achievements/loot, and hotfix the fight to get rid of the exploit in question; although unfortunately I seriously doubt that SE will go that route seeing as they want subs at this point, so the most they'll probably do is a hotfix.

Either way, I have much more respect for the LSs that ignored the exploit and took longer to kill Moogle the legitimate way, than those who caved and basically cheated.

[Jynx]

but don't try to discredit my group and others for Exploiting the game

I bet you jumped for joy when someone found out they could wristflick Ifirit.

[Agate]

That's your problem, you think if people can't do it the way you do then they don't have any skill. I'm glad your LS isn't on my server, but I'm still stuck with tons of LS like yours. You guys treat players like crap if they don't play as well as you and you don't try to help them get any better. If you want to laud your achievements over everyone else then you may want to consider playing a more difficult game than this one.

[Jynx]

You guys treat players like crap if they don't play as well as you and you don't try to help them get any better.

I haven't even killed Ifirit or Mog, but I'll give you a free pro-tip on the house.

If you want to get better maybe you shouldn't be exploiting the game, instead you should be trying to actually win the fight legit.

[TheFatHousecat]

That's your problem, you think if people can't do it the way you do then they don't have any skill. I'm glad your LS isn't on my server, but I'm still stuck with tons of LS like yours. You guys treat players like crap if they don't play as well as you and you don't try to help them get any better. If you want to laud your achievements over everyone else then you may want to consider playing a more difficult game than this one.

I never said that you had to use mine or anyone else's strat, in fact, if you can create your own strat that works then that's awesome. I think that the people using exploit to defeat Moogle have no skill, because they're essentially cheating. As I said before, if it's taking you a while to be able to beat Moogle legitimately, then I hold tons more respect that you're actually trying to develop your skills and party dynamic in order to do so, rather than caving because you want to look cool and get shiny weapons. I'm sure that the people who take a week or more before they're able to beat it, but who do it legitimately, will have developed much more skill than the people who claim to be from endgame LSs but exploited for the win.

[Agate]

I'm just upset at the suggestion that my friends be banned because we beat Moogle the way we did. I'm not going to hide it and act like I beat it without resetting. I used the reset trick tonight. And if I fought him all day tomorrow with the same group I have no doubt we could win without it. But seriously the difference in beating him with and without the reset trick is not huge, and even if my group decided to quit at just winning with raise resets, they're all very skilled players and there's nothing near ban-worthy about the way we fought those fights.

And Jynx, get bent man you don't know me. XD

[TheFatHousecat]

I'm just upset at the suggestion that my friends be banned because we beat Moogle the way we did. I'm not going to hide it and act like I beat it without resetting. I used the reset trick tonight. And if I fought him all day tomorrow with the same group I have no doubt we could win without it. But seriously the difference in beating him with and without the reset trick is not huge, and even if my group decided to quit at just winning with raise resets, they're all very skilled players and there's nothing near ban-worthy about the way we fought those fights.

And Jynx, get bent man you don't know me. XD

You SHOULD be banned, though, as upset as you may be, that's the fact of the matter. If you can beat it legitimately than why don't you? You're either lazy or lack the skill to even try to do so, and I'm confused as to why you're in this game if you're not even going to play it.

The difference is huge; have you ever beaten it legitimately? If the difference wasn't that huge, then why would people even exploit in the first place? You're starting new, you don't have to worry about maintaining MP and DPS, you don't have to keep your game up to par for the entire duration of the fight... believe me, it's much, much easier to use the exploit. Go ahead and see how long it takes you to beat it legitimately, and compare that to how long it took you to use the exploit, and if you still think he exploit doesn't make it significantly easier then you're either dense or just stubborn.

[Penguin]

And if I fought him all day tomorrow with the same group I have no doubt we could win without it. But seriously the difference in beating him with and without the reset trick is not huge, and even if my group decided to quit at just winning with raise resets, they're all very skilled players and there's nothing near ban-worthy about the way we fought those fights.

Exploits similar to the raise-reset exploit on moogle and exploits with much less impact on the fights mechanics have resulted in bans and removal of items/achievements in other established MMO's and for good reason.

If you can do it the legitimate way than why not do it? simple answer is that it is easier to exploit the encounter and it seems like a decent chunk of the community of this game have no qualms about breaking the mechanics of the fight to benefit them which is extremely sad.