Thread: 4.0 Warrior Feedback

Originally Posted by YitharV2

Tanks have returned to STR meta.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...damage_change/

As I stated in that thread, I think the translator did a good job for on-the-fly translation, but I agree with OP's interpretation of "restoring to a previous state."

We'll we've always been melding str on the accessories anyways. However after reading that reddit post and some testing IB only seems to heal for 88% of the actual damage and SP only for 44% of dmg dealt at lvl 70. Tested using i310 axe with ilvl 305. I now realize why the tool tip is the way it is now and now I'm even more angry at the changes. I find this to be very insulting in addition to the gauge penalty for stance dancing. PLD and DRK only have to wait 1 gcd to switch stances, we have to wait 10 seconds. SE you messed up.

After hitting 70 and running few instances for a past few days on WAR I must say that whoever design WAR for SB has some kind of schizophrenia.

They want us to stay in tanking stance for as long as possible, they discourage us to switch between stances (WARs especially) and yet, the cheery on the pie of this expansion for WAR is ability that benefits WAR in non-tanking stance only...
I just don't understand it...
About Onslaught everything has been said. Without revamping it, it will become obscure.
Shake it Off is meaningless, it could be nice (albeit a bit OP) if you were able to remove debuffs that healers cannot. We should have some circular AoE here, which lack of really hurts now, especially on pulls, especially that we lost Flash.
Upheaval is nice, I'm frankly quite suprised how good numbers you can pull from it. With full HP it has higher potency than Inner Beast, buffed can hit over 15k on ilvl 300 Warrior. It's nice addition to our tool, but the problem is that it is viable only in Defiance and the time window is really really short considering you have to hit with it when you have full HP (it scales down really bad)...
Enhanced Infuriate is also nice addition, it helps us get necessary tool (either IB for defense or SC for enmity) sooner... But again, it messes up with Berserk timers.

I also found some issues with enmity. For me it, looks like you don't really need BB combo anymore for single targets, but at the same time both Overpower and Steel Cyclone enmity generation is somehow lacking. But maybe it's just me and I need to adjust to new reality.

I think that SE went in completely wrong direction with WAR. They want us to tank, but gave us not a single real new tool to do that, not a single incentive to stay in tank stance. They just force us to stay in it by removing some of our tool set and nerfing attack power algorithm. I don't like it.

But I like Beast Gauge. Really like. Basically, you are now not limited to 5 stack but to 10, it gives you much freedom. You can Steel Cyclone a lot more, which without any other circular AoE is priceless. Reducing Berserk CD is also nice, as now with each and every pull you have it ready.

Originally Posted by Vejitta

I also found some issues with enmity. For me it, looks like you don't really need BB combo anymore for single targets, but at the same time both Overpower and Steel Cyclone enmity generation is somehow lacking. But maybe it's just me and I need to adjust to new reality.

Sometimes I feel like steel cyclones increase enmity effect isn't working at all. I hope its just a bug that can be hotfixed, as opposed to some new enmity calculation.

Originally Posted by Alphras

• The DPS rotation becomes very complicated and strict (more so than any dps I played in this game, which are mostly the melees). I like it though. The skill ceiling seems extremely high and I don't think that was really intended by square. Maybe there is something I am missing at this point.
  

Agree with this. It is very strict, and so slow to build is what I hate, WAR dps rotation was always delayed (see WAR 60 second pull timer in HW...) but now that is happening in the fight. It is basically like we do not have a dps opener, as our "opener" comes 45 seconds into a fight. (O, and forget about optimizing dps in 4 man where the stance change penalty just murders you)

From what I've seen, they're squishy as hell now. I groan every time I get one and they try to mass pull.

Almost everything has been said already about WAR, they are in a very bad spot atm. They main thing with WAR is:
Now they have to work twice as hard to accomplish merely the same damage they did before. What im trying to say is; PLD has highest tank dps atm hands down, when comparing DRK and WAR dps on a dummy, the DRK does not benefit from slashing where as the WAR does. when you calculate the dummy dps for both with slashing or without you will find that DRK do more than WAR. I tried both in the ex primals and always did more on DRK (tho i must say im better at DRK than WAR) but it doesn't take that the difference is noticeably higher.

After playing around a bit, albeit I'm not putting as much time in the game as I used to, a few of my opinions thus far for feedback.

I really think the path/eye combos could've been better implemented. I was probably one of the few wars who used path fairly regularly for mitigation even if it wasn't really needed, it was utility so I used it. Since shuffling the 10% damage over to Reprisal, it feels like they just put the 20 BG bonus on there to make the skill artificially better. They got rid of so many other skills. Why not just replace path with something new, instead of castrating it but still making it almost necessary to use for BG production. I guess I'm just not a fan of the way the combo rolls out now, rotating SE and BB combo chains was so smooth before.

As for beast gauge costs, it's obvious that they did this to reduce the stance-dancing, probably for both a combination of ease of play (since this was their stated intention) and also to curtail the dps tanking meta that drove a lot of people, including myself, away from tanking back in Alex savage. Despite all the negative feedback, I think there are a few benefits that are being overlooked.. For one, you don't need to burn CDs to get stacks. For all those bitching about how they won't have any access to IB if the MT drops and they have to pick up the boss, well there you go, you didn't burn all your defensive CDs to increase your offense while OT'ing. Secondly, it reduces the gauge by 50, yes, but you can switch at 0 BG. In effect, losing nothing. If you know there is a tank swap coming you can burn the last FC and swap stances for no cost.

But that's about all I've got so far, haven't unlocked any of the new skills yet.