Thread: 4.0 Warrior Feedback

Regarding all of the complaints regarding stance swapping, I don\\'t think it\\'s THAT aweful. I got used to dumping all my rage before swapping so it\\'s not that big of an issue.

But with that said, it does make the warrior a little harder to play. It takes too long to build 50 rage if youre saving infuriate for your 6 cleave combo. A flat 20 rage cost is a good compromise. That way you could max rage again within 1 stormes eye combo and then do your fc combo.

Also, I\\'d suggest changing the infuriate trait to reduce infuriate by a flat 30 seconds. This would really make it easy and apparent to beginners that they should burn infuriate, berserk, inner beast, and upheaval as soon as possible as the timers will line up automatically.

Right now, as hard as I try, infuriate still has about 10 secs cooldown when inner release is off cooldown when I try to max dps.

Next, I\\\\'d drop the rage cost on onslaught. People can then choose to use it as free dps or save it in case of a knockback or the boss leaping away.

Shake it off should be changed to something else. Anything really.

And I think that\\\\'s all I would change.

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Originally Posted by P4X0R10N

Next, I\\\\'d drop the rage cost on onslaught. People can then choose to use it as free dps or save it in case of a knockback or the boss leaping away.

Shake it off should be changed to something else. Anything really.

I'd be okay with Onslaught keeping the 20 BG cost, but drop the cooldown to 10s. If I want to burn my gauge ping ponging between 5 mobs, that should be on me. But, Onslaught has one of the highest threat multipliers of all tank skills so I can see why it costs something to use. That said... drop SC (and Decimate) cost to 30 and add a 5s timer.

Shake It Off really needs to be replaced with a Bloodbath equivalent.

Originally Posted by TheFanciestBard

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Don't undermine stance dancing, the core reason many people love warrior, for the sake of tank homogenization.

Yes. Exactly. WAR is the "switch stances to achieve the desired result" class. You're being punished for using the core mechanic of the class as it's designed.

At the risk of sounding kinky, punishment IS part of the fun. If there was no cost at all to changing stances, it would be mindless. There would be no point to the stances at all.

But with proper "punishment" or cost, the stances take on greater meaning psychologically if that makes sense. BECAUSE there is a cost to taking a stance, there is a psychological commitment to that decision.

And when that decision, with its cost, yields an even greater reward... that is pleasure, that is bliss, that is fun.

The question is here is whether the "punishment" or cost is worth the reward. Consider from a psychological perspective the following:

(1) taking a tanking stance before engaging enemies. The cost is dps, the reward is enmity or control of the enemy plus a reduction in damage taken. The reward outweigh the cost.

(2) building 100 rage while in tank stance and then swapping to dps stance. The cost is increased damage taken, but what is the reward? The reward is increased dps, BUT with the loss of 50 rage, and rage being units of measure associated with dps, it FEELS like you're also losing out on dps-at least in the short term.

The other issue I had was with self healing and sustainability. One of my biggest issues with the removal of blood bath (and to a degree mercy stroke + second wind from monk pre-4.0) is that in deliverance, warrior have no way to heal themselves. To me that was part of the fun of warrior. And even in defiance we only have equilibrium. Other than those two issue, I have been enjoying warrior in 4.0

Inner beast restores HP also so does Storms Path. they lost some self sustain but its still there

Originally Posted by Beefylee

Inner beast restores HP also so does Storms Path. they lost some self sustain but its still there

They reduced the hp gain though. At level 70 they don't return 100/50% anymore.

Same for DRK.

The new changes to warrior that came with stormblood have effectively ruined the class for me. The high impact feeling and situational utility have both been killed along with its viability. The changes to tanking as a role aswell have been exclusively negative and have forced me out of the class I loved. Unless this whole mess is fixed by raid release, I will probably stop playing the game.